Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Bjorn Helgaas]

The linux-um@lists.infradead.org mailing list is listed in MAINTAINERS
and is quite active [1].  Once in a while a commit links to the
infradead pipermail archive [2] (the link in that commit appears
broken).

I propose that we add linux-um to the lore.kernel.org archives so
future commits can use lore.kernel.org links that don't depend on
infradead.

https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html says pipermail archives like
infradead has are not ideal, but I don't have any archives at all, and
I don't know how to get even pipermail archives out of infradead.

Bjorn

[1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-um/
[2] https://git.kernel.org/linus/3b0b42527937

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Johannes Berg]

On Wed, 2022-10-12 at 14:11 -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> The linux-um@lists.infradead.org mailing list is listed in MAINTAINERS
> and is quite active [1].  Once in a while a commit links to the
> infradead pipermail archive [2] (the link in that commit appears
> broken).
> 
> I propose that we add linux-um to the lore.kernel.org archives so
> future commits can use lore.kernel.org links that don't depend on
> infradead.
> 
> https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html says pipermail archives like
> infradead has are not ideal, but I don't have any archives at all, and
> I don't know how to get even pipermail archives out of infradead.

I think we talked about this before, but I also don't have any archives
worth talking about (only since mid 2019 with a small gap in mid 2020).

If anyone wants to collect the archives from all people, I'm sure it
could be done. I can contribute what I have ...

The tooling makes that pretty simple, actually.

I think lists.infradead.org mostly got lost though, right dwmw2? So that
way I don't think we'll find much (old) archives either.

johannes

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Bjorn Helgaas]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 02:11:44PM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html says pipermail archives like
> infradead has are not ideal, but I don't have any archives at all, and
> I don't know how to get even pipermail archives out of infradead.

FWIW, here's a link to pipermail "archives" downloaded with:
  wget -r -np -l 1 -n d -A gz http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/$LIST/
  tar cf $LIST.tar $LIST
  xz -9 $LIST.tar

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zS5kricACvwhoCvmZcMSvNRHp-9PHGjd/view?usp=sharing

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Anton Ivanov]

On 12/10/2022 20:15, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-10-12 at 14:11 -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
>> The linux-um@lists.infradead.org mailing list is listed in MAINTAINERS
>> and is quite active [1].  Once in a while a commit links to the
>> infradead pipermail archive [2] (the link in that commit appears
>> broken).
>>
>> I propose that we add linux-um to the lore.kernel.org archives so
>> future commits can use lore.kernel.org links that don't depend on
>> infradead.
>>
>> https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html says pipermail archives like
>> infradead has are not ideal, but I don't have any archives at all, and
>> I don't know how to get even pipermail archives out of infradead.
> 
> I think we talked about this before, but I also don't have any archives
> worth talking about (only since mid 2019 with a small gap in mid 2020).
> 
> If anyone wants to collect the archives from all people, I'm sure it
> could be done. I can contribute what I have ...
>

I am not keeping any (only some of the discussion on my own patches) - I relied on the mailing list archive.

> The tooling makes that pretty simple, actually.
> 
> I think lists.infradead.org mostly got lost though, right dwmw2? So that
> way I don't think we'll find much (old) archives either.
> 
> johannes
> 

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Richard Weinberger]

----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> Von: "anton ivanov" <anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com>
> On 12/10/2022 20:15, Johannes Berg wrote:
>> On Wed, 2022-10-12 at 14:11 -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
>>> The linux-um@lists.infradead.org mailing list is listed in MAINTAINERS
>>> and is quite active [1].  Once in a while a commit links to the
>>> infradead pipermail archive [2] (the link in that commit appears
>>> broken).
>>>
>>> I propose that we add linux-um to the lore.kernel.org archives so
>>> future commits can use lore.kernel.org links that don't depend on
>>> infradead.
>>>
>>> https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html says pipermail archives like
>>> infradead has are not ideal, but I don't have any archives at all, and
>>> I don't know how to get even pipermail archives out of infradead.
>> 
>> I think we talked about this before, but I also don't have any archives
>> worth talking about (only since mid 2019 with a small gap in mid 2020).
>> 
>> If anyone wants to collect the archives from all people, I'm sure it
>> could be done. I can contribute what I have ...
>>
> 
> I am not keeping any (only some of the discussion on my own patches) - I relied
> on the mailing list archive.
> 
>> The tooling makes that pretty simple, actually.
>> 
>> I think lists.infradead.org mostly got lost though, right dwmw2? So that
>> way I don't think we'll find much (old) archives either.

Geert, IIRC you have excellent archives. Maybe you can help us?

Thanks,
//richard

Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Geert Uytterhoeven]

Hi Richard,

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 2:46 PM Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> wrote:
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> > Von: "anton ivanov" <anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com>
> > On 12/10/2022 20:15, Johannes Berg wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2022-10-12 at 14:11 -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> >>> The linux-um@lists.infradead.org mailing list is listed in MAINTAINERS
> >>> and is quite active [1].  Once in a while a commit links to the
> >>> infradead pipermail archive [2] (the link in that commit appears
> >>> broken).
> >>>
> >>> I propose that we add linux-um to the lore.kernel.org archives so
> >>> future commits can use lore.kernel.org links that don't depend on
> >>> infradead.
> >>>
> >>> https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html says pipermail archives like
> >>> infradead has are not ideal, but I don't have any archives at all, and
> >>> I don't know how to get even pipermail archives out of infradead.
> >>
> >> I think we talked about this before, but I also don't have any archives
> >> worth talking about (only since mid 2019 with a small gap in mid 2020).
> >>
> >> If anyone wants to collect the archives from all people, I'm sure it
> >> could be done. I can contribute what I have ...
> >>
> >
> > I am not keeping any (only some of the discussion on my own patches) - I relied
> > on the mailing list archive.
> >
> >> The tooling makes that pretty simple, actually.
> >>
> >> I think lists.infradead.org mostly got lost though, right dwmw2? So that
> >> way I don't think we'll find much (old) archives either.
>
> Geert, IIRC you have excellent archives. Maybe you can help us?

/me wondered how long he could keep on ignoring this thread ;-)

Mine date back to 2003 (at sourceforge.net).
I'll increase the priority of that task...

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Geert Uytterhoeven]

Hi Richard.

> > >>> https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html says pipermail archives like
> > >>> infradead has are not ideal, but I don't have any archives at all, and
> > >>> I don't know how to get even pipermail archives out of infradead.

The first step is
https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html#requesting-archival-of-an-existing-list

It doesn't make much sense to start collecting archives if the lore
collector hasn't been activated yet.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Konstantin Ryabitsev]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 02:57:18PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> The first step is
> https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html#requesting-archival-of-an-existing-list
> 
> It doesn't make much sense to start collecting archives if the lore
> collector hasn't been activated yet.

The archiver is now subscribed to the list. Once we have the archives, we can
complete the setup.

-K

Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Konstantin Ryabitsev]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 02:57:18PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> The first step is
> https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html#requesting-archival-of-an-existing-list
> 
> It doesn't make much sense to start collecting archives if the lore
> collector hasn't been activated yet.

The archiver is now subscribed to the list. Once we have the archives, we can
complete the setup.

-K

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Geert Uytterhoeven]

Hi Konstantin,

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 8:29 PM Konstantin Ryabitsev
<konstantin@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 02:57:18PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > The first step is
> > https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html#requesting-archival-of-an-existing-list
> >
> > It doesn't make much sense to start collecting archives if the lore
> > collector hasn't been activated yet.
>
> The archiver is now subscribed to the list. Once we have the archives, we can
> complete the setup.

Thank you, I have triggered the export from Gmail. After I have received
the export archive, I will merge it with my local pre-Gmail archives.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Geert Uytterhoeven]

Hi Konstantin,

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 8:29 PM Konstantin Ryabitsev
<konstantin@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 02:57:18PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > The first step is
> > https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html#requesting-archival-of-an-existing-list
> >
> > It doesn't make much sense to start collecting archives if the lore
> > collector hasn't been activated yet.
>
> The archiver is now subscribed to the list. Once we have the archives, we can
> complete the setup.

Thank you, I have triggered the export from Gmail. After I have received
the export archive, I will merge it with my local pre-Gmail archives.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Geert Uytterhoeven]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 8:48 PM Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 8:29 PM Konstantin Ryabitsev
> <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 02:57:18PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > The first step is
> > > https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html#requesting-archival-of-an-existing-list
> > >
> > > It doesn't make much sense to start collecting archives if the lore
> > > collector hasn't been activated yet.
> >
> > The archiver is now subscribed to the list. Once we have the archives, we can
> > complete the setup.
>
> Thank you, I have triggered the export from Gmail. After I have received
> the export archive, I will merge it with my local pre-Gmail archives.

I have just sent my merged archive for linux-um.lists.infradead.org
and the old user-mode-linux-devel.lists.sourceforge.net (starting
from 2003-09-02) to Konstantin.

If you you have older archives, or want to fill in the possible gaps,
you can follow the procedure [1] starting from my
linux-um-known-ids.txt.xz[2], and share the new emails with Konstantin.

Konstantin: I believe there is a bug in the sending procedure [3]:

    tar cf full-archives.tar dir-with-mbox-files

I guess that should be

    tar cf full-archives.tar ~/linux-kernel-announce

instead?

Thanks!

[1] https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html#merging-multiple-archives-into-one
[2] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d68UBC4pOCgQicz_a3vIsJAhDy9CTQnH/view?usp=sharing
[3] https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html#send-the-archive-to-helpdesk

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Bjorn Helgaas]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 08:06:43PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 8:48 PM Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> wrote:

> Konstantin: I believe there is a bug in the sending procedure [3]:
> 
>     tar cf full-archives.tar dir-with-mbox-files
> 
> I guess that should be
> 
>     tar cf full-archives.tar ~/linux-kernel-announce
> 
> instead?

While you're looking at typos, there's a "list-archive-marker.py" in
the last section [4] that I think should be "list-archive-maker.py".

> [3] https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html#send-the-archive-to-helpdesk

[4] https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html#can-we-use-mailman-archives

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Geert Uytterhoeven]

Hi Konstantin,

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 8:06 PM Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 8:48 PM Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 8:29 PM Konstantin Ryabitsev
> > <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 02:57:18PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > > The first step is
> > > > https://korg.docs.kernel.org/lore.html#requesting-archival-of-an-existing-list
> > > >
> > > > It doesn't make much sense to start collecting archives if the lore
> > > > collector hasn't been activated yet.
> > >
> > > The archiver is now subscribed to the list. Once we have the archives, we can
> > > complete the setup.
> >
> > Thank you, I have triggered the export from Gmail. After I have received
> > the export archive, I will merge it with my local pre-Gmail archives.
>
> I have just sent my merged archive for linux-um.lists.infradead.org
> and the old user-mode-linux-devel.lists.sourceforge.net (starting
> from 2003-09-02) to Konstantin.

Is there anything from us you are still waiting for?
Thanks again!

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Konstantin Ryabitsev]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 09:58:31AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> Is there anything from us you are still waiting for?
> Thanks again!

Nope, it's just waiting for some cycles. I should be able to get it done soon.
Thank you for your patience.

Cheers,
-K

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Konstantin Ryabitsev]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 09:58:31AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > Thank you, I have triggered the export from Gmail. After I have received
> > > the export archive, I will merge it with my local pre-Gmail archives.
> >
> > I have just sent my merged archive for linux-um.lists.infradead.org
> > and the old user-mode-linux-devel.lists.sourceforge.net (starting
> > from 2003-09-02) to Konstantin.

Better late than never -- this is now done.

Sorry about the wait.

-K

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Bjorn Helgaas]

On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 5:02 PM Konstantin Ryabitsev
<konstantin@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 09:58:31AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > > Thank you, I have triggered the export from Gmail. After I have received
> > > > the export archive, I will merge it with my local pre-Gmail archives.
> > >
> > > I have just sent my merged archive for linux-um.lists.infradead.org
> > > and the old user-mode-linux-devel.lists.sourceforge.net (starting
> > > from 2003-09-02) to Konstantin.
>
> Better late than never -- this is now done.

Thank you!

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Re: Add linux-um archives to lore.kernel.org?

[Richard Weinberger]

----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> Von: "Konstantin Ryabitsev" <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>
> Better late than never -- this is now done.
> 
> Sorry about the wait.

No need to worry, thanks a lot! :-)

Thanks,
//richard

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