From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-path: Received: from mail.atheros.com ([12.36.123.2]:11957 "EHLO mail.atheros.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751868Ab0CZAoc (ORCPT ); Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:44:32 -0400 Received: from mail.atheros.com ([10.10.20.108]) by sidewinder.atheros.com for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:44:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:44:31 -0700 From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" To: Bruno Randolf CC: Luis Rodriguez , Derek Smithies , "bob@bobcopeland.com" , "ath5k-devel@lists.ath5k.org" , "linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: [ath5k-devel] [PATCH 00/10] ANI for ath5k Message-ID: <20100326004431.GA2385@tux> References: <20100325054603.10697.48915.stgit@tt-desk> <20100325211311.GG7651@tux> <201003260927.57491.br1@einfach.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <201003260927.57491.br1@einfach.org> Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 05:27:57PM -0700, Bruno Randolf wrote: > On Friday 26 March 2010 06:13:11 Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > > > > - Improve beacon averaging algorithm for IBSS: Maybe we should keep > > > > track of > > > > > > > > the average RSSI on a per-node basis and use the minimum of those in > > > > order not to loose far away nodes? The other option would be to limit > > > > the parameters we control similar to AP mode. > > > > > > We have talked about this before. I thought that we agreed > > > that adhoc nodes may > > > > > > a)be activated at any time > > > b)be positioned at an unknown distance apart > > > > > > it therefore makes no sense to average the RSSI over the current nodes. > > > If all the current nodes in the network are close by, the ani algorithm > > > will wind the sensitivity down. Consequently, if a remote node is > > > started, it will not be able to connect. Yet, the remote node should > > > have been able to connect as the slot times etc were long enough, > > > and the link budget is fine... > > i'm not sure how big the effect of ANI is - would it really shut the remote > node out completely? or would just performance degrade? also beacons are sent > at the lowest rate, so they will travel far. this needs to be tested! it > doesnt make sense to discuss this based on hypothetical assumptions. > > > > So yes, the only way to > > > > > > > - Improve beacon averaging algorithm for IBSS: > > > is to turn ani off. which means the issue you raised else where of > > > providing reasonable userland controls (not via debugfs) becomes > > > important. > > > > If ANI helps IBSS so much then why not just default to turning it > > off within the driver? > > i would say in most standard cases, IBSS nodes are close together or at a > similar distance, so it does make sense to use ANI by default. > > as well, we all agree that there should be userland controls. the questions is > just about the interface to use. ANI is specific to Atheros cards so debugfs would do it. If we want to have a more rigit API we could use a configfs entry for ath9k. Luis