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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Alexander Wetzel <alexander@wetzel-home.de>, luciano.coelho@intel.com
Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linuxwifi@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] iwlwifi: Extended Key ID support for mvm and dvm
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 22:03:27 +0200
Message-ID: <52914e64663283eeff9445b8b1fb37986c15223d.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <da471544-3370-8ba1-2265-d02ab09cdcee@wetzel-home.de>

On Mon, 2019-08-19 at 21:57 +0200, Alexander Wetzel wrote:
> > > +
> > > +	/* The new Tx API does not allow to pass the key or keyid of a MPDU to
> > > +	 * the hw, preventing us to control which key(id) to use per MPDU.
> > > +	 * Till that's fixed we can't use Extended Key ID for the newer cards.
> > 
> > Technically we still don't need per MPDU, we just need to switch which
> > one to use for TX after installing it for RX already.
> 
> The Extended Key ID API we finally merged in mac80211 is not notifying 
> the driver when to switch the key over to the other id.

Oh, right, good point.

> The current API provides the key/keyid per MPDU and let's mac80211 have 
> the full control what's the correct key for each frame.

Yeah, but as you noticed we no longer have that control per MPDU with
the new TX API in iwlmvm.

> That's especially critical for drivers setting 
> IEEE80211_KEY_FLAG_GENERATE_IV and/or supporting A-MPDU's. Allowing the 
> driver to override the mac80211 decision is only safe when the 
> driver/card generates the PNs itself and also handles the A-MPDU key 
> borders correctly.

Sure, the device does generate the PN itself now with the new TX API
too. It doesn't care about A-MPDU key borders, but it probably could
when taught to care about extended key ID.

> While less desirable we still could get that working: The mvm driver 
> would have to detect the key borders and then tell the firmware to 
> switch over to the other key. But we would have to make sure to not 
> re-enable A-MPDU aggregation till the card really has switched.

I'm not entirely sure off the top of my head how it works, but it seems
possible that if we just assign a new PN to retransmits of the same
frame but in a new A-MPDU after key switching, it wouldn't actually
matter?

But then again maybe somewhere it's stated that we must use the same key
for all transmit attempts of a single frame? Not sure.

I'm also not sure if we could actually assign a PN from the new key for
the retransmit, the hardware has to store those back into memory
normally.

So probably you're right, and we'd have to disable A-MPDUs until we have
no outstanding old-key-retransmits, but that seems manageable.

johannes


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Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-19 18:05 Alexander Wetzel
2019-08-19 18:51 ` Johannes Berg
2019-08-19 19:57   ` Alexander Wetzel
2019-08-19 20:03     ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2019-08-19 20:09       ` Johannes Berg
2019-08-19 20:50         ` Alexander Wetzel
2019-08-19 20:42       ` Alexander Wetzel
2019-09-06 20:41 ` Alexander Wetzel

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