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From: Jian-Hong Pan <starnight@g.ncu.edu.tw>
To: Ben Whitten <Ben.Whitten@lairdtech.com>
Cc: "Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>,
	"Jiri Pirko" <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
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	"Marcel Holtmann" <marcel@holtmann.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 5/6] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 00:26:57 +0800
Message-ID: <CAC=mGzg4TGCaNUbq=_kFqmF5VNFR6rWHVBwO_5Fprt0u3m1O9g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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> > Am 18.12.18 um 15:27 schrieb Jian-Hong Pan:
> > >> Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 11:18:59AM CET, starnight@g.ncu.edu.tw wrote:
> > >>> LoRaWAN defined by LoRa Alliance(TM) is the MAC layer over LoRa
> > devices.
> > >>>
> > >>> This patch implements part of Class A end-devices SoftMAC defined in
> > >>> LoRaWAN(TM) Specification Ver. 1.0.2:
> > >>> 1. End-device receive slot timing
> > >>> 2. Only single channel and single data rate for now
> > >>> 3. Unconfirmed data up/down message types
> > >>>
> > >>> On the other side, it defines the basic interface and operation
> > >>> functions for compatible LoRa device drivers.
> > >>>
> > >>> Signed-off-by: Jian-Hong Pan <starnight@g.ncu.edu.tw>
> > [...]
> > >>> net/maclorawan/Kconfig  |  14 +
> > >>> net/maclorawan/Makefile |   2 +
> > >>> net/maclorawan/mac.c    | 555
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>> net/maclorawan/main.c   | 606
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>> 4 files changed, 1177 insertions(+)
> > >>> create mode 100644 net/maclorawan/Kconfig
> > >>> create mode 100644 net/maclorawan/Makefile
> > >>> create mode 100644 net/maclorawan/mac.c
> > >>> create mode 100644 net/maclorawan/main.c
> > >>
> > >> I don't get it. In patch "Add LoRaWAN API declaration for LoRa devices"
> > >> you add headers for "API" and here you implement functions. That is just
> > >> weird. Does it mean you can have other implementations?
> > >
> > > LoRaWAN defined by LoRa Alliance(TM) is the MAC layer over LoRa PHY.
> > > This part is soft-MAC as Andreas mentioned
> > > http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-lpwan/2018-
> > December/000010.html
> > >
> > >> Also, you don't really have any user of this API in the set. Please
> > >> introduce at least 1 driver, preferably more (I see that Andreas has
> > >> multiple ones in his patchset). You cannot push kernel infrastructure
> > >> without kernel user.
> > >
> > > The soft-MAC is suitable for the LoRa chips' device drivers, like
> > > sx1276/77/78/79, RFM95/96/97/98W ...
> > > Still waiting for Andreas' sx1276 version 2 patch and more discussion.
> >
> > sx1276 regmap conversion was pushed to my staging tree together with
> > Ben's sx1301 final conversion last night, lightly tested.
> >
> > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/afaerber/linux-
> > lora.git/log/?h=lora-next
> >
> > TBD: rename to sx127x, implement regmap fields, only auto-detect reset
> > when no OF node available (all low priority atm, patches welcome)
> >
> > (and for sx1301 I still need to update my DT overlays with the new clk)
> >
> > > For example, how to make PF_LORA and PF_LORAWAN like Ethernet,
> > PF_INET
> > > and PF_INET6 don't need separate devices either, both use eth0.
> > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/8/3/266
> >
> > Jiri, I am expecting the maclorawan driver to lower packets from
> > ETH_P_LORAWAN to ETH_P_LORA in a generic way, so that any of the LoRa
> > device drivers can benefit of it, with maclorawan using the LoRa netlink
> > commands that the individual drivers implement.
> > Not sure what if anything is missing for that in the current revision?
> > Still dealing with the lower-level infrastructure and my test setup ...
> > progressing slowly.
> >
> > I'll probably need to queue the remaining generic LoRaWAN part 1/6 in my
> > tree to resolve this circular dependency between Jian-Hong and me, so
> > that only the soft-MAC implementation remains a separate patch series.
> > The hard-MAC implementations will be on my plate mostly, as both SX1276
> > and SX1301 need the soft-MAC.
>
> On the SX1301 side of things, the ability to send messages as a LoRaWAN
> node device is a niche use case, the majority if not all people will use the
> concentrator card as the pass through gateway to the node.
>
> In this mode of operation the parameters for transmission such as; frequency,
> spreading factor / data rate, power, are given by a remote server and passed
> in from the userspace application which received it.
> Eventually in the kernel these need to be checked locally to ensure regulatory
> compliance.
> To that end I have experimented with framing, as CAN does, so that this
> metadata can be provided on a write from userspace to the SX1301 driver.
>
> Sounds like we need different protocols for framing within the protocol family.
> Raw in the case of nodes and framed with metadata in the case of concentrator
> cards, thoughts?

Yes, I have thought the roles of node and gateway.  They may have
different skb passing paths.
As you mentioned, many things of the gateway is controlled by the
remote server.  So, I only implement the path for nodes right now.
Maybe, we can have a role flag: node, gateway which can be assigned by
some way.  Then, the skb can be decode, checked and passed according
to the role flag.  And module also checks the integrity (MIC, length
...) and filter out the bad skb before sends to next stop.

> I will send my experiment RFC to the lpwan mailing list.

Or you can send the RFC first.  Then we can have the skb passing path
for gateway and figure out how to put them together.

Does this sound reasonable?

Regards,
Jian-Hong Pan

  reply index

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-23 17:15 [RFC 0/3 net] lorawan: Add LoRaWAN soft MAC module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-23 17:15 ` [RFC 1/3 net] lorawan: Add LoRaWAN class module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-23 17:43   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-08-24 15:58     ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-09-23 16:40   ` Andreas Färber
2018-09-26 15:52     ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 0/7] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN soft MAC module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 1/7] net: lorawan: Add macro and definition for LoRaWAN Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 2/7] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN socket module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 18:16     ` David Miller
2018-11-06 14:28       ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 0/7] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN soft MAC module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 1/7] net: lorawan: Add macro and definition for LoRaWAN Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:12         ` Andreas Färber
2018-11-17  6:47           ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 2/7] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN socket module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-17  4:32         ` David Miller
2018-11-17 14:54           ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 0/6] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN soft MAC module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 1/6] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN socket module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 2/6] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN API declaration for LoRa devices Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 3/6] net: maclorawan: Add maclorawan module declaration Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 4/6] net: maclorawan: Implement the crypto of maclorawan module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 5/6] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 20:45               ` Alan Cox
2018-12-09  8:27                 ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-16 10:18                   ` [PATCH v5 0/6] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN soft MAC module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-17 13:51                     ` Jiri Pirko
2018-12-16 10:18                   ` [PATCH v5 1/6] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN socket module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-29  7:27                     ` Andreas Färber
2019-01-07 14:47                       ` Jian-Hong Pan
2019-01-13 14:51                         ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-16 10:18                   ` [PATCH v5 2/6] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN API declaration for LoRa devices Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-16 10:18                   ` [PATCH v5 3/6] net: maclorawan: Add maclorawan module declaration Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-16 10:18                   ` [PATCH v5 4/6] net: maclorawan: Implement the crypto of maclorawan module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-16 10:18                   ` [PATCH v5 5/6] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-17 14:02                     ` Jiri Pirko
2018-12-18 14:27                       ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-18 14:27                         ` Jiri Pirko
2018-12-18 15:34                           ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-18 18:49                         ` Andreas Färber
2018-12-19 11:27                           ` Ben Whitten
2018-12-19 16:26                             ` Jian-Hong Pan [this message]
2018-12-20  9:20                               ` Xue Liu
2018-12-20 16:00                                 ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-28  8:11                                   ` Netlink userspace tools for LoRa(WAN), FSK, Sigfox, BLE, etc. (was: [PATCH v5 5/6] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module) Andreas Färber
2018-12-28 15:49                                     ` Alexander Aring
2018-12-20 10:19                               ` [PATCH v5 5/6] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module Ben Whitten
2018-12-20 15:31                                 ` Andreas Färber
2018-12-16 10:19                   ` [PATCH v5 6/6] net: lorawan: List LORAWAN in menuconfig Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-17  8:50                     ` Xue Liu
2018-12-17 14:19                       ` Andreas Färber
2018-12-18 13:50                         ` Xue Liu
2018-12-24 15:32                           ` Alexander Aring
2018-12-28  4:57                             ` Andreas Färber
2018-12-28 15:43                               ` Alexander Aring
2018-12-29  6:28                                 ` Andreas Färber
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 " Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 3/7] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN API declaration for LoRa devices Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 4/7] net: maclorawan: Add maclorawan module declaration Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-17  4:32         ` David Miller
2018-11-17  6:32           ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 5/7] net: maclorawan: Implement the crypto of maclorawan module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 6/7] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 7/7] net: lorawan: List LORAWAN in menuconfig Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 3/7] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN API declaration for LoRa devices Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 4/7] net: maclorawan: Add maclorawan module declaration Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 5/7] net: maclorawan: Implement the crypto of maclorawan module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 6/7] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 7/7] net: lorawan: List LORAWAN in menuconfig Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-23 17:15 ` [RFC 2/3 net] lorawan: Add macro and definition for LoRaWAN class modlue Jian-Hong Pan
2018-09-23 16:06   ` Andreas Färber
2018-09-26 14:46     ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-23 17:15 ` [RFC 3/3 net] lorawan: List LORAWAN in menuconfig Jian-Hong Pan

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