From: Alexander Aring <aahringo@redhat.com>
To: Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>
Cc: Alexander Aring <alex.aring@gmail.com>,
Stefan Schmidt <stefan@datenfreihafen.org>,
linux-wpan - ML <linux-wpan@vger.kernel.org>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
David Girault <david.girault@qorvo.com>,
Romuald Despres <romuald.despres@qorvo.com>,
Frederic Blain <frederic.blain@qorvo.com>,
Nicolas Schodet <nico@ni.fr.eu.org>,
Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH wpan-next 01/20] net: mac802154: Allow the creation of coordinator interfaces
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2022 10:31:37 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK-6q+gW=s=tWBrkN=CaiyoLM8kqeF0iRuS21AqDMQdQcE9H5A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK-6q+hO1i=xvXx3wHo658ph93FwuVs_ssjG0=jnphEe8a+gxw@mail.gmail.com>
Hi,
On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 10:20 AM Alexander Aring <aahringo@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 8:08 PM Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com> wrote:
> ...
> > >
> > > I am sorry, I never looked into Zephyr for reasons... Do they not have
> > > something like /proc/interrupts look if you see a counter for your
> > > 802.15.4 transceiver?
> > >
> > > > Also, can you please clarify when are we talking about software and
> > > > when about hardware filters.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hardware filter is currently e.g. promiscuous mode on or off setting.
> > > Software filtering is depending which receive path the frame is going
> > > and which hardware filter is present which then acts like actually
> > > with hardware filtering.
> > > I am not sure if this answers this question?
> >
> > I think my understand gets clearer now that I've digged into Zephyr's
> > ieee802154 layer and in the at86rf230 datasheet.
> >
>
> okay, I think for zephyr questions you are here on the wrong mailinglist.
>
> > I will answer the previous e-mail but just for not I wanted to add that
> > I managed to get Zephyr working, I had to mess around in the code a
> > little bit and actually I discovered a net command which is necessary
> > to use in order to turn the iface up, whatever.
> >
>
> aha.
>
> > So I was playing with the atusb devices and I _think_ I've found a
> > firmware bug or a hardware bug which is going to be problematic. In
>
> the firmware is open source, I think it's fine to send patches here (I
> did it as well once for do a quick hack to port it to rzusb) the atusb
> is "mostly" at the point that they can do open hardware from the
> qi-hardware organization.
>
> > iface.c, when creating the interface, if you set the hardware filters
> > (set_panid/short/ext_addr()) there is no way you will be able to get a
> > fully transparent promiscuous mode. I am not saying that the whole
>
> What is a transparent promiscuous mode?
>
> > promiscuous mode does not work anymore, I don't really know. What I was
> > interested in were the acks, and getting them is a real pain. At least,
> > enabling the promiscuous mode after setting the hw filters will lead to
> > the acks being dropped immediately while if the promiscuous mode is
> > enabled first (like on monitor interfaces) the acks are correctly
> > forwarded by the PHY.
>
> If we would not disable AACK handling (means we receive a frame with
> ack requested bit set we send a ack back) we would ack every frame it
> receives (speaking on at86rf233).
>
> >
> > While looking at the history of the drivers, I realized that the
> > TX_ARET mode was not supported by the firmware in 2015 (that's what you
>
> There exists ARET and AACK, both are mac mechanisms which must be
> offloaded on the hardware. Note that those only do "something" if the
> ack request bit in the frame is set.
>
> ARET will retransmit if no ack is received after some while, etc.
> mostly coupled with CSMA/CA handling. We cannot guarantee such timings
> on the Linux layer. btw: mac80211 can also not handle acks on the
> software layer, it must be offloaded.
>
> AACK will send a back if a frame with ack request bit was received.
will send an ack back*
- Alex
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-09-03 14:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-07-01 14:30 [PATCH wpan-next 00/20] net: ieee802154: Support scanning/beaconing Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 01/20] net: mac802154: Allow the creation of coordinator interfaces Miquel Raynal
2022-07-06 1:51 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-19 17:11 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-23 12:33 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-23 16:29 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-23 21:44 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-24 7:35 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-24 21:43 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-25 8:40 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-26 0:51 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-26 1:35 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-26 8:08 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-29 2:31 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-29 8:05 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-26 7:30 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-24 10:20 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-24 12:43 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-24 13:26 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-24 21:53 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-25 1:02 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-25 8:46 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-25 12:58 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-26 1:05 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-26 7:54 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-29 2:52 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-29 8:02 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-30 2:23 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-31 15:39 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-09-01 0:09 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-09-01 13:09 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-09-02 2:38 ` Alexander Aring
2022-09-03 0:08 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-09-03 14:20 ` Alexander Aring
2022-09-03 14:31 ` Alexander Aring [this message]
2022-09-03 16:05 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-09-03 18:21 ` Alexander Aring
2022-09-03 18:29 ` Alexander Aring
2022-09-03 19:07 ` Alexander Aring
2022-09-03 19:10 ` Alexander Aring
2022-09-03 19:40 ` Alexander Aring
2022-09-05 3:16 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-09-05 22:35 ` Alexander Aring
2022-09-02 2:23 ` Alexander Aring
2022-09-02 2:39 ` Alexander Aring
2022-09-02 2:09 ` Alexander Aring
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 02/20] net: ieee802154: Advertize coordinators discovery Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 03/20] net: ieee802154: Handle " Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 04/20] net: ieee802154: Trace the registration of new PANs Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 05/20] net: ieee802154: Define frame types Miquel Raynal
2022-07-11 2:06 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-19 17:13 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 06/20] net: ieee802154: Add support for user scanning requests Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 07/20] net: ieee802154: Define a beacon frame header Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 08/20] net: mac802154: Prepare forcing specific symbol duration Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 09/20] net: mac802154: Introduce a global device lock Miquel Raynal
2022-07-04 1:12 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-19 17:06 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 10/20] net: mac802154: Handle passive scanning Miquel Raynal
2022-07-15 3:33 ` Alexander Aring
2022-07-15 3:42 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-19 17:22 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-01 23:42 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-01 23:54 ` Alexander Aring
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 11/20] net: ieee802154: Add support for user beaconing requests Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 12/20] net: mac802154: Handle basic beaconing Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 13/20] net: ieee802154: Add support for user active scan requests Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 14/20] net: mac802154: Handle active scanning Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 15/20] net: ieee802154: Add support for allowing to answer BEACON_REQ Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 16/20] net: mac802154: Handle received BEACON_REQ Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 17/20] net: ieee802154: Handle limited devices with only datagram support Miquel Raynal
2022-07-15 3:16 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-19 17:13 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-23 12:43 ` Alexander Aring
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 18/20] ieee802154: ca8210: Flag the driver as being limited Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 19/20] ieee802154: hwsim: Do not check the rtnl Miquel Raynal
2022-07-06 1:23 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-01 23:58 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-19 17:09 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-08-25 22:41 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-07-01 14:30 ` [PATCH wpan-next 20/20] ieee802154: hwsim: Allow devices to be coordinators Miquel Raynal
2022-07-11 2:01 ` Alexander Aring
2022-08-19 17:12 ` Miquel Raynal
2022-07-04 1:17 ` [PATCH wpan-next 00/20] net: ieee802154: Support scanning/beaconing Alexander Aring
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