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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 12/28] shrinker: defer work only to kswapd
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:11:50 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191114211150.GE4614@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191104152954.GC10665@bfoster>

On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 10:29:54AM -0500, Brian Foster wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 10:46:02AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > @@ -601,10 +605,10 @@ static unsigned long do_shrink_slab(struct shrink_control *shrinkctl,
> >  	 * scanning at high prio and therefore should try to reclaim as much as
> >  	 * possible.
> >  	 */
> > -	while (total_scan >= batch_size ||
> > -	       total_scan >= freeable_objects) {
> > +	while (scan_count >= batch_size ||
> > +	       scan_count >= freeable_objects) {
> >  		unsigned long ret;
> > -		unsigned long nr_to_scan = min(batch_size, total_scan);
> > +		unsigned long nr_to_scan = min_t(long, batch_size, scan_count);
> >  
> >  		shrinkctl->nr_to_scan = nr_to_scan;
> >  		shrinkctl->nr_scanned = nr_to_scan;
> > @@ -614,29 +618,29 @@ static unsigned long do_shrink_slab(struct shrink_control *shrinkctl,
> >  		freed += ret;
> >  
> >  		count_vm_events(SLABS_SCANNED, shrinkctl->nr_scanned);
> > -		total_scan -= shrinkctl->nr_scanned;
> > -		scanned += shrinkctl->nr_scanned;
> > +		scan_count -= shrinkctl->nr_scanned;
> > +		scanned_objects += shrinkctl->nr_scanned;
> >  
> >  		cond_resched();
> >  	}
> > -
> >  done:
> > -	if (next_deferred >= scanned)
> > -		next_deferred -= scanned;
> > +	if (deferred_count)
> > +		next_deferred = deferred_count - scanned_objects;
> >  	else
> > -		next_deferred = 0;
> > +		next_deferred = scan_count;
> 
> Hmm.. so if there was no deferred count on this cycle, we set
> next_deferred to whatever is left from scan_count and add that back into
> the shrinker struct below. If there was a pending deferred count on this
> cycle, we subtract what we scanned from that and add that value back.
> But what happens to the remaining scan_count in the latter case? Is it
> lost, or am I missing something?

if deferred_count is not zero, then it is kswapd that is running. It
does the deferred work, and if it doesn't make progress then adding
it's scan count to the deferred work doesn't matter. That's because
it will come back with an increased priority in a short while and
try to scan more of the deferred count plus it's larger scan count.

IOWs, if we defer kswapd unused scan count, we effectively increase
the pressure as the priority goes up, potentially making the
deferred count increase out of control. i.e. kswapd can make
progress and free items, but the result is that it increased the
deferred scan count rather than reducing it. This leads to excessive
reclaim of the slab caches and kswapd can trash the caches long
after the memory pressure has gone away...

> For example, suppose we start this cycle with a large scan_count and
> ->scan_objects() returned SHRINK_STOP before doing much work. In that
> scenario, it looks like whether ->nr_deferred is 0 or not is the only
> thing that determines whether we defer the entire remaining scan_count
> or just what is left from the previous ->nr_deferred. The existing code
> appears to consistently factor in what is left from the current scan
> with the previous deferred count. Hm?

If kswapd doesn't have any deferred work, then it's largely no
different in behaviour to direct reclaim. If it has no deferred
work, then the shrinker is not getting stopped early in direct
reclaim, so it's unlikely that kswapd is going to get stopped early,
either....

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-14 21:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-31 23:45 [PATCH 00/28] mm, xfs: non-blocking inode reclaim Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:45 ` [PATCH 01/28] xfs: Lower CIL flush limit for large logs Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:45 ` [PATCH 02/28] xfs: Throttle commits on delayed background CIL push Dave Chinner
2019-11-01 12:04   ` Brian Foster
2019-11-01 21:40     ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-04 22:48       ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-10-31 23:45 ` [PATCH 03/28] xfs: don't allow log IO to be throttled Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:45 ` [PATCH 04/28] xfs: Improve metadata buffer reclaim accountability Dave Chinner
2019-11-01 12:05   ` Brian Foster
2019-11-04 23:21   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-10-31 23:45 ` [PATCH 05/28] xfs: correctly acount for reclaimable slabs Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:45 ` [PATCH 06/28] xfs: factor common AIL item deletion code Dave Chinner
2019-11-04 23:16   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-10-31 23:45 ` [PATCH 07/28] xfs: tail updates only need to occur when LSN changes Dave Chinner
2019-11-04 23:18   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-10-31 23:45 ` [PATCH 08/28] xfs: factor inode lookup from xfs_ifree_cluster Dave Chinner
2019-11-01 12:05   ` Brian Foster
2019-11-04 23:20   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-10-31 23:45 ` [PATCH 09/28] mm: directed shrinker work deferral Dave Chinner
2019-11-04 15:25   ` Brian Foster
2019-11-14 20:49     ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-15 17:21       ` Brian Foster
2019-11-18  0:49         ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-19 15:12           ` Brian Foster
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 10/28] shrinkers: use defer_work for GFP_NOFS sensitive shrinkers Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 11/28] mm: factor shrinker work calculations Dave Chinner
2019-11-02 10:55   ` kbuild test robot
2019-11-04 15:29   ` Brian Foster
2019-11-14 20:59     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 12/28] shrinker: defer work only to kswapd Dave Chinner
2019-11-04 15:29   ` Brian Foster
2019-11-14 21:11     ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2019-11-15 17:23       ` Brian Foster
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 13/28] shrinker: clean up variable types and tracepoints Dave Chinner
2019-11-04 15:30   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 14/28] mm: reclaim_state records pages reclaimed, not slabs Dave Chinner
2019-11-04 19:58   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 15/28] mm: back off direct reclaim on excessive shrinker deferral Dave Chinner
2019-11-04 19:58   ` Brian Foster
2019-11-14 21:28     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 16/28] mm: kswapd backoff for shrinkers Dave Chinner
2019-11-04 19:58   ` Brian Foster
2019-11-14 21:41     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 17/28] xfs: synchronous AIL pushing Dave Chinner
2019-11-05 17:05   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 18/28] xfs: don't block kswapd in inode reclaim Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 19/28] xfs: reduce kswapd blocking on inode locking Dave Chinner
2019-11-05 17:05   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 20/28] xfs: kill background reclaim work Dave Chinner
2019-11-05 17:05   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 21/28] xfs: use AIL pushing for inode reclaim IO Dave Chinner
2019-11-05 17:06   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 22/28] xfs: remove mode from xfs_reclaim_inodes() Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 23/28] xfs: track reclaimable inodes using a LRU list Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 24/28] xfs: reclaim inodes from the LRU Dave Chinner
2019-11-06 17:21   ` Brian Foster
2019-11-14 21:51     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 25/28] xfs: remove unusued old inode reclaim code Dave Chinner
2019-11-06 17:21   ` Brian Foster
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 26/28] xfs: use xfs_ail_push_all in xfs_reclaim_inodes Dave Chinner
2019-11-06 17:22   ` Brian Foster
2019-11-14 21:53     ` Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 27/28] rwsem: introduce down/up_write_non_owner Dave Chinner
2019-10-31 23:46 ` [PATCH 28/28] xfs: rework unreferenced inode lookups Dave Chinner
2019-11-06 22:18   ` Brian Foster
2019-11-14 22:16     ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-15 13:13       ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-11-15 17:26       ` Brian Foster
2019-11-18  1:00         ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-19 15:13           ` Brian Foster
2019-11-19 21:18             ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-20 12:42               ` Brian Foster

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