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From: Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>,
	Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: single aio thread is migrated crazily by scheduler
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:21:36 -0500
Message-ID: <20191121142136.GB18443@pauld.bos.csb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191121132937.GW4114@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 02:29:37PM +0100 Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 05:03:13PM -0500, Phil Auld wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 08:16:36PM +0100 Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 07:40:54AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> 
> > > > Yes, that's precisely the problem - work is queued, by default, on a
> > > > specific CPU and it will wait for a kworker that is pinned to that
> > > 
> > > I'm thinking the problem is that it doesn't wait. If it went and waited
> > > for it, active balance wouldn't be needed, that only works on active
> > > tasks.
> > 
> > Since this is AIO I wonder if it should queue_work on a nearby cpu by 
> > default instead of unbound.  
> 
> The thing seems to be that 'unbound' is in fact 'bound'. Maybe we should
> fix that. If the load-balancer were allowed to move the kworker around
> when it didn't get time to run, that would probably be a better
> solution.
> 

Yeah, I'm not convinced this is actually a scheduler issue.


> Picking another 'bound' cpu by random might create the same sort of
> problems in more complicated scenarios.
> 
> TJ, ISTR there used to be actually unbound kworkers, what happened to
> those? or am I misremembering things.
> 
> > > Lastly,
> > > one other thing to try is -next. Vincent reworked the load-balancer
> > > quite a bit.
> > > 
> > 
> > I've tried it with the lb patch series. I get basically the same results.
> > With the high granularity settings I get 3700 migrations for the 30 
> > second run at 4k. Of those about 3200 are active balance on stock 5.4-rc7.
> > With the lb patches it's 3500 and 3000, a slight drop. 
> 
> Thanks for testing that. I didn't expect miracles, but it is good to
> verify.
> 
> > Using the default granularity settings 50 and 22 for stock and 250 and 25.
> > So a few more total migrations with the lb patches but about the same active.
> 
> Right, so the granularity thing interacts with the load-balance period.
> By pushing it up, as some people appear to do, makes it so that what
> might be a temporal imablance is perceived as a persitent imbalance.
> 
> Tying the load-balance period to the gramularity is something we could
> consider, but then I'm sure, we'll get other people complaining the
> doesn't balance quick enough anymore.
> 

Thanks. These are old tuned settings that have been carried along. They may
not be right for newer kernels anyway. 


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Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-14 11:31 Ming Lei
2019-11-14 13:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-15  0:09   ` Ming Lei
2019-11-15 14:16     ` Ming Lei
2019-11-14 23:54 ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-15  1:08   ` Ming Lei
2019-11-15  4:56     ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-15  7:08       ` Ming Lei
2019-11-15 23:40         ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-16  6:31           ` Ming Lei
2019-11-18  9:21           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-18 14:54             ` Vincent Guittot
2019-11-18 20:40             ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-20 19:16               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-20 22:03                 ` Phil Auld
2019-11-21  4:12                   ` Ming Lei
2019-11-21 14:12                     ` Phil Auld
2019-11-21 15:02                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2019-11-21 16:19                         ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-09 16:58                           ` Srikar Dronamraju
2019-11-21 22:10                       ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-21 13:29                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-21 14:21                     ` Phil Auld [this message]
2019-12-09 16:51                     ` Srikar Dronamraju
2019-12-09 23:17                       ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-10  3:27                         ` Srikar Dronamraju
2019-12-10  5:43                         ` [PATCH v2] sched/core: Preempt current task in favour of bound kthread Srikar Dronamraju
2019-12-10  9:26                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-12-10  9:33                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-12-10 10:18                               ` Srikar Dronamraju
2019-12-10 10:16                             ` Srikar Dronamraju
2019-12-10  9:43                           ` Vincent Guittot
2019-12-10 10:11                             ` Srikar Dronamraju
2019-12-10 11:02                               ` Vincent Guittot
2019-12-10 17:23                           ` [PATCH v3] " Srikar Dronamraju
2019-12-11 17:38                             ` [PATCH v4] " Srikar Dronamraju
2019-12-11 22:46                               ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-12 10:10                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-12-12 10:14                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-12-12 10:23                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-12-12 11:20                                       ` Vincent Guittot
2019-12-12 13:12                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-12-12 15:07                                   ` Srikar Dronamraju
2019-12-12 15:15                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-12-13  5:32                                   ` Srikar Dronamraju
2019-11-18 16:26           ` single aio thread is migrated crazily by scheduler Srikar Dronamraju
2019-11-18 21:18             ` Dave Chinner
2019-11-19  8:54               ` Ming Lei
     [not found]         ` <20191128094003.752-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2019-11-28  9:53           ` Vincent Guittot
2019-12-02  2:46             ` Ming Lei
2019-12-02  4:02               ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-02  4:22                 ` Ming Lei
2019-12-02 13:45                 ` Vincent Guittot
2019-12-02 21:22                   ` Phil Auld
2019-12-03  9:45                     ` Vincent Guittot
2019-12-04 13:50                       ` Ming Lei
2019-12-02 23:53                   ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-03  0:18                     ` Ming Lei
2019-12-03 13:34                     ` Vincent Guittot
2019-12-02  7:39               ` Juri Lelli
2019-12-02  3:08           ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]           ` <20191202090158.15016-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2019-12-02 23:06             ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]             ` <20191203131514.5176-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2019-12-03 22:29               ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]               ` <20191204102903.896-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2019-12-04 22:59                 ` Dave Chinner

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