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Wong" To: Amir Goldstein Cc: Allison Henderson , "linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: [PATCHSET v10r1d2 00/17] xfs: encode parent pointer name in xattr key Message-ID: <20230328012932.GE16180@frogsfrogsfrogs> References: <20230316185414.GH11394@frogsfrogsfrogs> <167899414339.15363.12404998880107296432.stgit@frogsfrogsfrogs> <6e6f7948dfdeac87accb8cd437f0c22d21a2e8e0.camel@oracle.com> <20230325170106.GA16180@frogsfrogsfrogs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 06:21:17AM +0300, Amir Goldstein wrote: > On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 8:01 PM Darrick J. Wong wrote: > > > > On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:59:16AM +0300, Amir Goldstein wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 8:19 PM Allison Henderson > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2023-03-16 at 12:17 -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > As I've mentioned in past comments on the parent pointers patchset, > > > > > the > > > > > proposed ondisk parent pointer format presents a major difficulty for > > > > > online directory repair. This difficulty derives from encoding the > > > > > directory offset of the dirent that the parent pointer is mirroring. > > > > > Recall that parent pointers are stored in extended attributes: > > > > > > > > > > (parent_ino, parent_gen, diroffset) -> (dirent_name) > > > > > > > > > > If the directory is rebuilt, the offsets of the new directory entries > > > > > must match the diroffset encoded in the parent pointer, or the > > > > > filesystem becomes inconsistent. There are a few ways to solve this > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > One approach would be to augment the directory addname function to > > > > > take > > > > > a diroffset and try to create the new entry at that offset. This > > > > > will > > > > > not work if the original directory became corrupt and the parent > > > > > pointers were written out with impossible diroffsets (e.g. > > > > > overlapping). > > > > > Requiring matching diroffsets also prevents reorganization and > > > > > compaction of directories. > > > > > > > > > > This could be remedied by recording the parent pointer diroffset > > > > > updates > > > > > necessary to retain consistency, and using the logged parent pointer > > > > > replace function to rewrite parent pointers as necessary. This is a > > > > > poor choice from a performance perspective because the logged xattr > > > > > updates must be committed in the same transaction that commits the > > > > > new > > > > > directory structure. If there are a large number of diroffset > > > > > updates, > > > > > then the directory commit could take an even longer time. > > > > > > > > > > Worse yet, if the logged xattr updates fill up the transaction, > > > > > repair > > > > > will have no choice but to roll to a fresh transaction to continue > > > > > logging. This breaks repair's policy that repairs should commit > > > > > atomically. It may break the filesystem as well, since all files > > > > > involved are pinned until the delayed pptr xattr processing > > > > > completes. > > > > > This is a completely bad engineering choice. > > > > > > > > > > Note that the diroffset information is not used anywhere in the > > > > > directory lookup code. Observe that the only information that we > > > > > require for a parent pointer is the inverse of an pre-ftype dirent, > > > > > since this is all we need to reconstruct a directory entry: > > > > > > > > > > (parent_ino, dirent_name) -> NULL > > > > > > > > > > The xattr code supports xattrs with zero-length values, surprisingly. > > > > > The parent_gen field makes it easy to export parent handle > > > > > information, > > > > > so it can be retained: > > > > > > > > > > (parent_ino, parent_gen, dirent_name) -> NULL > > > > > > > > > > Moving the ondisk format to this format is very advantageous for > > > > > repair > > > > > code. Unfortunately, there is one hitch: xattr names cannot exceed > > > > > 255 > > > > > bytes due to ondisk format limitations. We don't want to constrain > > > > > the > > > > > length of dirent names, so instead we create a special VLOOKUP mode > > > > > for > > > > > extended attributes that allows parent pointers to require matching > > > > > on > > > > > both the name and the value. > > > > > > > > > > The ondisk format of a parent pointer can then become: > > > > > > > > > > (parent_ino, parent_gen, dirent_name[0:242]) -> > > > > > (dirent_name[243:255]) > > > > > > With VLOOKUP in place, why is this better than > > > (parent_ino, parent_gen) -> (dirent_name) > > > > > > Is it because the dabtree hash is calculated only on the key > > > and changing that would be way more intrusive? > > > > Yes. The dabtree hash is calculated on the full attr name, so this is > > an attempt to reduce hash collisions during parent pointer lookups by > > stuffing as many bytes in the attr name as possible. > > > > It would be very easy to change the xfs_da_hashname calls inside > > xfs_parent.c to use either the full dirent name (i.e. pptr hash matches > > dirent hash) or use the full parent pointer and not just the attr key, > > but that would be a major break from the tradition that the da hash is > > computed against the attr name only. > > > > (I'm not opposed to doing that too, but one breaking change at a time. > > ;)) > > > > > Does that mean that user can create up to 2^12 > > > parent pointers with the same hash and we are fine with it? > > > > Yes. The dabtree can handle an xattr structure where every name hashes > > to the same value, though performance will be slow as it scans every > > attr to find the one it wants. > > > > The number of parent pointers with the same hash can be much higher > > than 2^12 -- I wrote a dumb C program that creates an arbitrary number > > of attr names with identical hashes. It's not fast when you get past > > 100,000. :P > > > > Right. > So how about > (parent_ino, parent_gen, dirent_hash) -> (dirent_name) > > This is not a breaking change and you won't need to do another > breaking change later. > > This could also be internal to VLOOKUP: appended vhash to > attr name and limit VLOOKUP name size to 255 - vhashsize. The original "put the hash in the xattr name" patches did that, but I discarded that approach because it increases the size of each parent pointer by 4 bytes, and was really easy to make a verrrry slow filesystem: I wrote an xfs_io command to compute lists of names with the same dirhash value. If I created a giant directory with the same file hardlinked millions of times where all those dirent names all hash to the same value, lookups in the directory gets really slow because the dabtree code has to walk (on average) half a million dirents to find the matching one. There were also millions of parent pointer xattrs, all with the same attr name and hence the same hash value here too. Doing that made the performance totally awful. Changing the hash to crc32c and then sha512 made it much harder to induce collision slowdowns on both ends like that, though sha512 added a noticeable performance hit for what it was preventing. Hopefully the fact that the attr name starts with 12 bytes (4 of which aren't known to unprivileged userspace) and omits the last 12 bytes of the dirent name will make it harder to generate double-collisions. Granted there's probably someone who's more math-smart than me who can figure this out. --D > Thanks, > Amir.