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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: rjw@sisk.pl, shangw@linux.vnet.ibm.com, arnd@arndb.de,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, geoff@infradead.org,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, deepthi@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	paul.gortmaker@windriver.com, paulus@samba.org,
	srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com, schwidefsky@de.ibm.com,
	john.stultz@linaro.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, chenhui.zhao@freescale.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/5] cpuidle/ppc: CPU goes tickless if there are no arch-specific constraints
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:30:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130725133044.GA7400@somewhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130725090302.12500.42998.stgit@preeti.in.ibm.com>

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 02:33:02PM +0530, Preeti U Murthy wrote:
> In the current design of timer offload framework, the broadcast cpu should
> *not* go into tickless idle so as to avoid missed wakeups on CPUs in deep idle states.
> 
> Since we prevent the CPUs entering deep idle states from programming the lapic of the
> broadcast cpu for their respective next local events for reasons mentioned in
> PATCH[3/5], the broadcast CPU checks if there are any CPUs to be woken up during
> each of its timer interrupt programmed to its local events.
> 
> With tickless idle, the broadcast CPU might not get a timer interrupt till after
> many ticks which can result in missed wakeups on CPUs in deep idle states. By
> disabling tickless idle, worst case, the tick_sched hrtimer will trigger a
> timer interrupt every period to check for broadcast.
> 
> However the current setup of tickless idle does not let us make the choice
> of tickless on individual cpus. NOHZ_MODE_INACTIVE which disables tickless idle,
> is a system wide setting. Hence resort to an arch specific call to check if a cpu
> can go into tickless idle.

Hi Preeti,

I'm not exactly sure why you can't enter the broadcast CPU in dynticks idle mode.
I read in the previous patch that's because in dynticks idle mode the broadcast
CPU deactivates its lapic so it doesn't receive the IPI. But may be I misunderstood.
Anyway that's not good for powersaving.

Also when an arch wants to prevent a CPU from entering dynticks idle mode, it typically
use arch_needs_cpu(). May be that could fit for you as well?

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-25 13:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-25  9:02 [RFC PATCH 0/5] cpuidle/ppc: Timer offload framework to support deep idle states Preeti U Murthy
2013-07-25  9:02 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] powerpc: Free up the IPI message slot of ipi call function (PPC_MSG_CALL_FUNC) Preeti U Murthy
2013-07-25  9:02 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] powerpc: Implement broadcast timer interrupt as an IPI message Preeti U Murthy
2013-07-25  9:02 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] cpuidle/ppc: Add timer offload framework to support deep idle states Preeti U Murthy
2013-07-25  9:03 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] cpuidle/ppc: CPU goes tickless if there are no arch-specific constraints Preeti U Murthy
2013-07-25 13:30   ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2013-07-26  2:39     ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-07-26  3:19       ` Paul Mackerras
2013-07-26  3:35         ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-07-26  4:11       ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-07-27  6:30       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-27  7:50         ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-07-29  5:28           ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2013-07-29 10:11             ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-07-29  5:11         ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2013-07-26  3:03     ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-07-25  9:03 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] cpuidle/ppc: Add longnap state to the idle states on powernv Preeti U Murthy
2013-07-26 10:05 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] cpuidle/ppc: Timer offload framework to support deep idle states Li Yang-R58472
2013-07-26 13:11   ` Preeti U Murthy

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