From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43B6C10F14 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.ozlabs.org (lists.ozlabs.org [203.11.71.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DBFF206A3 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b="msYnu0kx" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 1DBFF206A3 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=infradead.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=linuxppc-dev-bounces+linuxppc-dev=archiver.kernel.org@lists.ozlabs.org Received: from lists.ozlabs.org (lists.ozlabs.org [IPv6:2401:3900:2:1::3]) by lists.ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44pNcQ4grZzDqM7 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 22:51:34 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; spf=none (mailfrom) smtp.mailfrom=infradead.org (client-ip=2001:8b0:10b:1231::1; helo=merlin.infradead.org; envelope-from=peterz@infradead.org; receiver=) Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=infradead.org Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b="msYnu0kx"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from merlin.infradead.org (merlin.infradead.org [IPv6:2001:8b0:10b:1231::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44pNZ55s8JzDqLw for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 22:49:33 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=merlin.20170209; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=35dsPaMjiCJMbp0smPFnBa37kyiFHneebblaSoEgPnQ=; b=msYnu0kx2JON/wV/5dmMl8vxA dNCkZAqilQAWKgXdb+pllDgIM1dvdIRn2PTFPCpPa2rT6jXvYFDwgwJ3h3lZoIhmej0toM48+/ppr RohELwfLN2xCfUtByxgahp0hU50CmU7ZInrqna7acSRDLG6c3QibbucubGNFtCp9B+Y0ozgd2WT4o YmvDH3/dt8VwyJiZCrP/zGJP5MwJsY7HaKgut9UodsIMQT0oida9zEnUjEPcD1ArwgTEhu1ogh2g7 uhCboq8dRcEn79wKSzqUJPyUl3ZBauPLrK9e+FM9A3107dB1aRvokG5XAdcEqf5koNpX4UdSCUGyU i6pxQQxMA==; Received: from j217100.upc-j.chello.nl ([24.132.217.100] helo=hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net) by merlin.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.90_1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1hIuqu-0004F8-De; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:48:48 +0000 Received: by hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A6FE829B8FE27; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:48:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:48:45 +0200 From: Peter Zijlstra To: Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 00/31] Speculative page faults Message-ID: <20190423124845.GS4038@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20190416134522.17540-1-ldufour@linux.ibm.com> <20190423104707.GK25106@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20190423124148.GA19031@bombadil.infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190423124148.GA19031@bombadil.infradead.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-BeenThere: linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Linux on PowerPC Developers Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Jan Kara , sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com, Will Deacon , Michal Hocko , linux-mm , Paul Mackerras , Punit Agrawal , "H. Peter Anvin" , Michel Lespinasse , Alexei Starovoitov , Andrea Arcangeli , Andi Kleen , Minchan Kim , aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com, x86@kernel.org, Daniel Jordan , Ingo Molnar , David Rientjes , "Paul E. McKenney" , Haiyan Song , Nick Piggin , sj38.park@gmail.com, Jerome Glisse , dave@stgolabs.net, kemi.wang@intel.com, "Kirill A. Shutemov" , Thomas Gleixner , Laurent Dufour , zhong jiang , Ganesh Mahendran , Yang Shi , Mike Rapoport , linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, LKML , Sergey Senozhatsky , vinayak menon , Andrew Morton , Tim Chen , haren@linux.vnet.ibm.com Errors-To: linuxppc-dev-bounces+linuxppc-dev=archiver.kernel.org@lists.ozlabs.org Sender: "Linuxppc-dev" On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 05:41:48AM -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 12:47:07PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote: > > Well, I believe we should _really_ re-evaluate the range locking sooner > > rather than later. Why? Because it looks like the most straightforward > > approach to the mmap_sem contention for most usecases I have heard of > > (mostly a mm{unm}ap, mremap standing in the way of page faults). > > On a plus side it also makes us think about the current mmap (ab)users > > which should lead to an overall code improvements and maintainability. > > Dave Chinner recently did evaluate the range lock for solving a problem > in XFS and didn't like what he saw: > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-fsdevel/20190418031013.GX29573@dread.disaster.area/T/#md981b32c12a2557a2dd0f79ad41d6c8df1f6f27c > > I think scaling the lock needs to be tied to the actual data structure > and not have a second tree on-the-side to fake-scale the locking. Right, which is how I ended up using the split PT locks. They already provide fine(r) grained locking.