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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Yunsheng Lin <linyunsheng@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] numa: make node_to_cpumask_map() NUMA_NO_NODE aware
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 11:25:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190924092551.GK2369@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f1362dbb-ad31-51a8-2b06-16c9d928b876@huawei.com>

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 09:29:50AM +0800, Yunsheng Lin wrote:
> On 2019/9/24 4:34, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> > I'm saying the ACPI standard is wrong. Explain to me how it is
> > physically possible to have a device without NUMA affinity in a NUMA
> > system?
> > 
> >  1) The fundamental interconnect is not uniform.
> >  2) The device needs to actually be somewhere.
> > 
> 
> From what I can see, NUMA_NO_NODE may make sense in the below case:
> 
> 1) Theoretically, there would be a device that can access all the memory
> uniformly and can be accessed by all cpus uniformly even in a NUMA system.
> Suppose we have two nodes, and the device just sit in the middle of the
> interconnect between the two nodes.
> 
> Even we define a third node solely for the device, we may need to look at
> the node distance to decide the device can be accessed uniformly.
> 
> Or we can decide that the device can be accessed uniformly by setting
> it's node to NUMA_NO_NODE.

This is indeed a theoretical case; it doesn't scale. The moment you're
adding multiple sockets or even board interconnects this all goes out
the window.

And in this case, forcing the device to either node is fine.

> 2) For many virtual deivces, such as tun or loopback netdevice, they
> are also accessed uniformly by all cpus.

Not true; the virtual device will sit in memory local to some node.

And as with physical devices, you probably want at least one (virtual)
queue per node.


  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-24  9:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-17 12:48 [PATCH v6] numa: make node_to_cpumask_map() NUMA_NO_NODE aware Yunsheng Lin
2019-09-21 22:38 ` Paul Burton
2019-09-23  2:31   ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-09-23 15:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-23 15:28   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-23 15:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-23 16:52       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-23 20:34         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-24  1:29           ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-09-24  9:25             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2019-09-24 11:07               ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-09-24 11:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-24 11:44                   ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-09-24 11:58                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-24 12:09                       ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-09-24  7:47           ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-24  9:17             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-24 10:56               ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-24 11:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-24 11:54                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-24 12:09                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-24 12:25                       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-24 12:43                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-24 12:59                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-24 13:19                             ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-25  9:14                               ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-09-25 10:41                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-08  8:38                                   ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-10-09 12:25                                     ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-10  6:07                                       ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-10-10  7:32                                         ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-11  3:27                                           ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-10-11 11:15                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-12  6:17                                               ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-10-12  7:40                                                 ` Greg KH
2019-10-12  9:47                                                   ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-10-12 10:40                                                     ` Greg KH
2019-10-12 10:47                                                       ` Greg KH
2019-10-14  8:00                                                         ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-10-14  9:25                                                           ` Greg KH
2019-10-14  9:49                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-14 10:04                                                               ` Greg KH
2019-10-15 10:40                                                             ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-10-15 16:58                                                               ` Greg KH
2019-10-16 12:07                                                                 ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-10-28  9:20                                                   ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-10-29  8:53                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-30  1:58                                                       ` Yunsheng Lin
2019-10-10  8:56                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-25 10:40                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-25 13:25                                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-25 16:31                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-25 21:45                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-26  9:05                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-26 12:10                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-26 11:45                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-26 12:24                                       ` Peter Zijlstra

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