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From: Ram Pai <>
To: Paul Mackerras <>
Cc: Sukadev Bhattiprolu <>,,,
	Bharata B Rao <>,,,
	Ram Pai <>,,,,,
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 7/8] KVM: PPC: Implement H_SVM_INIT_ABORT hcall
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:01:58 -0800
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On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 03:19:24PM +1100, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 09:47:59AM +0530, Bharata B Rao wrote:
> > From: Sukadev Bhattiprolu <>
> > 
> > Implement the H_SVM_INIT_ABORT hcall which the Ultravisor can use to
> > abort an SVM after it has issued the H_SVM_INIT_START and before the
> > H_SVM_INIT_DONE hcalls. This hcall could be used when Ultravisor
> > encounters security violations or other errors when starting an SVM.
> > 
> > Note that this hcall is different from UV_SVM_TERMINATE ucall which
> > is used by HV to terminate/cleanup an SVM.
> > 
> > In case of H_SVM_INIT_ABORT, we should page-out all the pages back to
> > HV (i.e., we should not skip the page-out). Otherwise the VM's pages,
> > possibly including its text/data would be stuck in secure memory.
> > Since the SVM did not go secure, its MSR_S bit will be clear and the
> > VM wont be able to access its pages even to do a clean exit.
> It seems fragile to me to have one more transfer back into the
> ultravisor after this call.  Why does the UV need to do this call and
> then get control back again one more time?  
> Why can't the UV defer
> doing this call until it can do it without expecting to see a return
> from the hcall?  

Sure. But, what if the hypervisor calls back into the UV through a
ucall, asking for some page to be paged-out?  If the ultravisor has
cleaned up the state associated with the SVM, it wont be able to service
that request.

H_SVM_INIT_ABORT is invoked to tell the hypervisor that the
secure-state-transition for the VM cannot be continued any further.
Hypervisor can than choose to do whatever with that information. It can
cleanup its state, and/or make ucalls to get some information from the
ultravisor.  It can also choose not to return control back to the ultravisor.

> And if it does need to see a return from the hcall,
> what would happen if a malicious hypervisor doesn't do the return?

That is fine.  At most it will be a denail-of-service attack.


> Paul.

If the ultravisor cleans up the SVM's state on its side and then informs
the Hypervisor to abort the SVM, the hypervisor will not be able to
cleanly terminate the VM.  Because to terminate the SVM, the hypervisor
still needs the services of the Ultravisor. For example: to get the
pages back into the hypervisor if needed. Another example is, the
hypervisor can call UV_SVM_TERMINATE.  Regardless of which ucall
gets called, the ultravisor has to hold on to enough state of the
SVM to service that request.

The current design assumes that the hypervisor explicitly informs the
ultravisor, that it is done with the SVM, through the UV_SVM_TERMINATE
ucall. Till that point the Ultravisor must to be ready to service any
ucalls made by the hypervisor on the SVM's behalf.

And if the ultravisor has cleaned-up the state of the SVM on it side,
any such ucall requests by the hypervisor will return with error. 

In summary -- for the hypervisor to cleanly terminate an SVM, it needs the
services of the ultravisor.  Only the hypervisor knows, when it would
NOT anymore need the services of the ultravisor for a SVM. Only after
the hypervisor communicates that through the UV_SVM_TERMINATE ucall,
the ultravisor will be able to confidently clean the state of the SVM
on its side.

The H_SVM_INIT_ABORT is a mechanism for the UV to inform the HV
to do whatever it needs to do to cleanup its state of the SVM; which
includes making ucalls to the ultravisor.

Ram Pai

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Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-04  4:17 [PATCH v10 0/8] KVM: PPC: Driver to manage pages of secure guest Bharata B Rao
2019-11-04  4:17 ` [PATCH v10 1/8] mm: ksm: Export ksm_madvise() Bharata B Rao
2019-11-06  4:33   ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-06  6:45     ` Bharata B Rao
2019-11-07  5:45       ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-15 14:10         ` Bharata B Rao
2019-11-04  4:17 ` [PATCH v10 2/8] KVM: PPC: Support for running secure guests Bharata B Rao
2019-11-06  4:34   ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-04  4:17 ` [PATCH v10 3/8] KVM: PPC: Shared pages support for " Bharata B Rao
2019-11-06  4:52   ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-06  8:22     ` Bharata B Rao
2019-11-06  8:29       ` Bharata B Rao
2019-11-04  4:17 ` [PATCH v10 4/8] KVM: PPC: Radix changes for secure guest Bharata B Rao
2019-11-06  5:58   ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-06  8:36     ` Bharata B Rao
2019-11-04  4:17 ` [PATCH v10 5/8] KVM: PPC: Handle memory plug/unplug to secure VM Bharata B Rao
2019-11-11  4:25   ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-04  4:17 ` [PATCH v10 6/8] KVM: PPC: Support reset of secure guest Bharata B Rao
2019-11-11  5:28   ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-11  6:55     ` Bharata B Rao
2019-11-12  5:34   ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-13 15:29     ` Bharata B Rao
2019-11-14  5:07       ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-04  4:17 ` [PATCH v10 7/8] KVM: PPC: Implement H_SVM_INIT_ABORT hcall Bharata B Rao
2019-11-11  4:19   ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-12  1:01     ` Ram Pai [this message]
2019-11-12  5:38       ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-12  7:52         ` Ram Pai
2019-11-12 11:32           ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-12 14:45             ` Ram Pai
2019-11-13  0:14               ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-13  6:32                 ` Ram Pai
2019-11-13 21:18                   ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-13 21:50                     ` Ram Pai
2019-11-14  5:08                       ` Paul Mackerras
2019-11-14  7:02                         ` Ram Pai
2019-11-04  4:18 ` [PATCH v10 8/8] KVM: PPC: Ultravisor: Add PPC_UV config option Bharata B Rao
2019-11-06  4:30 ` [PATCH v10 0/8] KVM: PPC: Driver to manage pages of secure guest Paul Mackerras
2019-11-06  6:20   ` Bharata B Rao

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