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From: John Youn <John.Youn@synopsys.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, John Youn <John.Youn@synopsys.com>
Cc: "linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"benh@au1.ibm.com" <benh@au1.ibm.com>,
	"linux-mips@linux-mips.org" <linux-mips@linux-mips.org>,
	Christian Lamparter <chunkeey@googlemail.com>,
	"linux-usb@vger.kernel.org" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	"gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"a.seppala@gmail.com" <a.seppala@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: usb: dwc2: regression on MyBook Live Duo / Canyonlands since 4.3.0-rc4
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 14:11:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5730FCFB.5050005@synopsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18362907.sI27LBpJPE@wuerfel>

On 5/9/2016 1:39 PM, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Monday 09 May 2016 13:22:48 John Youn wrote:
>> On 5/9/2016 3:36 AM, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>> On Monday 09 May 2016 10:23:22 Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 2016-05-08 at 13:44 +0200, Christian Lamparter wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, May 08, 2016 08:40:55 PM Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 2016-05-08 at 00:54 +0200, Christian Lamparter via Linuxppc-dev 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been looking in getting the MyBook Live Duo's USB OTG port
>>>>>>> to function. The SoC is a APM82181. Which has a PowerPC 464 core
>>>>>>> and related to the supported canyonlands architecture in
>>>>>>> arch/powerpc/.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently in -next the dwc2 module doesn't load: 
>>>>>> Smells like the APM implementation is little endian. You might need to
>>>>>> use a flag to indicate what endian to use instead and set it
>>>>>> appropriately based on some DT properties.
>>>>> I tried. As per common-properties[0], I added little-endian; but it has no
>>>>> effect. I looked in dwc2_driver_probe and found no way of specifying the
>>>>> endian of the device. It all comes down to the dwc2_readl & dwc2_writel
>>>>> accessors. These - sadly - have been hardwired to use __raw_readl and
>>>>> __raw_writel. So, it's always "native-endian". While common-properties
>>>>> says little-endian should be preferred.
>>>>
>>>> Right, I meant, you should produce a patch adding a runtime test inside
>>>> those functions based on a device-tree property, a bit like we do for
>>>> some of the HCDs like OHCI, EHCI etc...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The patch that caused the problem had multiple issues:
>>>
>>> - it broke big-endian ARM kernels: any machine that was working
>>>   correctly with a little-endian kernel is no longer using byteswaps
>>>   on big-endian kernels, which clearly breaks them.
>>
>>
>> I'm a bit confused about how this is supposed to work. My
>> understanding was that the readl() and writel() are defined as little
>> endian. So byte-swapping was performed if the architecture is big
>> endian. And the raw versions never swapped, always using the "native"
>> endianness.
>>
>> dwc2 is always treating the result of readl/writel as if it was read
>> in native endian. So it needs to read the registers in big-endian on
>> big-endian systems.
> 
> The hardware has no idea of what endianess the CPU uses at any
> given time, it's fixed by the SoC design, so there is no such
> thing as "native" endianess for a random IP block.
> 
> The readl/writel accessors accomodate for that by swapping the
> data on big-endian kernels, because most SoC designers tend to
> pick little-endian device registers by default.
> 
>> This was the premise on which this patch was made.
>>
>> So for big endian systems, isn't what we want is to read in big-endian
>> without any byteswapping to little-endian? But your saying this breaks
>> big-endian ARM systems as well. Am I missing something?
> 
> The systems are not a particular endianess, only the current state
> of the CPU is, and that may change independent of the way the
> hardware block got synthesized. We don't support swapping endianess
> at runtime in Linux, but the system normally doesn't care what we
> run.
> 
> The normal behavior is for the register contents to be read as
> little-endian, and then swapped on big-endian kernel builds to
> match what the kernel expects.
> 
> MIPS is a special case here, because the endianess of the CPU
> core is fixed in hardware (or using a strapping pin) and is often
> tied to the endianess of all the IP blocks. There are a couple
> of other architectures like this (e.g. ARM ixp4xx, but none of the
> modern ARM systems).

Ok thanks. What you're saying is clear now.

Is there a standard way to handle this? Must all drivers either check
some endianness configuration or do a runtime check?

Regards,
John

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-09 21:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-07 22:54 usb: dwc2: regression on MyBook Live Duo / Canyonlands since 4.3.0-rc4 Christian Lamparter
2016-05-08 10:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-05-08 11:44   ` Christian Lamparter
2016-05-09  0:23     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-05-09 10:36       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-09 10:39         ` Felipe Balbi
2016-05-09 15:08           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-09 19:06             ` Christian Lamparter
2016-05-09 20:10               ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-09 22:43               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-05-09 22:37             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-05-10  7:23               ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-12  9:58                 ` Christian Lamparter
2016-05-12 11:55                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-12 13:30                     ` Christian Lamparter
2016-05-12 18:40                       ` John Youn
2016-05-12 20:39                         ` Christian Lamparter
2016-05-12 20:50                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-12 20:55                           ` John Youn
2016-05-14 13:11                         ` Christian Lamparter
2016-05-14 19:45                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-17 23:50                           ` John Youn
2016-05-18 19:14                             ` Christian Lamparter
2016-05-18 21:09                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-19  0:36                               ` John Youn
2016-05-12 22:17                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-05-09 22:33           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-05-09 14:02         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-05-09 20:22         ` John Youn
2016-05-09 20:38           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-09 21:11             ` John Youn [this message]
2016-05-09 21:30               ` Arnd Bergmann

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