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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] arch, mm: improve robustness of direct map manipulation
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:03:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9e77d0a939eda3029d6ae89bd14d7f1465b0559d.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201028113059.GG1428094@kernel.org>

On Wed, 2020-10-28 at 13:30 +0200, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 11:20:12AM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:38:16AM +0200, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 06:05:30PM +0000, Edgecombe, Rick P
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2020-10-26 at 11:05 +0200, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 01:13:52AM +0000, Edgecombe, Rick P
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 12:15 +0200, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > > > > > > Indeed, for architectures that define
> > > > > > > CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_SET_DIRECT_MAP
> > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > possible that __kernel_map_pages() would fail, but since
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > function is
> > > > > > > void, the failure will go unnoticed.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Could you elaborate on how this could happen? Do you mean
> > > > > > during
> > > > > > runtime today or if something new was introduced?
> > > > > 
> > > > > A failure in__kernel_map_pages() may happen today. For
> > > > > instance, on
> > > > > x86
> > > > > if the kernel is built with DEBUG_PAGEALLOC.
> > > > > 
> > > > >         __kernel_map_pages(page, 1, 0);
> > > > > 
> > > > > will need to split, say, 2M page and during the split an
> > > > > allocation
> > > > > of
> > > > > page table could fail.
> > > > 
> > > > On x86 at least, DEBUG_PAGEALLOC expects to never have to break
> > > > a page
> > > > on the direct map and even disables locking in cpa because it
> > > > assumes
> > > > this. If this is happening somehow anyway then we should
> > > > probably fix
> > > > that. Even if it's a debug feature, it will not be as useful if
> > > > it is
> > > > causing its own crashes.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm still wondering if there is something I'm missing here. It
> > > > seems
> > > > like you are saying there is a bug in some arch's, so let's add
> > > > a WARN
> > > > in cross-arch code to log it as it crashes. A warn and making
> > > > things
> > > > clearer seem like good ideas, but if there is a bug we should
> > > > fix it.
> > > > The code around the callers still functionally assume re-
> > > > mapping can't
> > > > fail.
> > > 
> > > Oh, I've meant x86 kernel *without* DEBUG_PAGEALLOC, and indeed
> > > the call
> > > that unmaps pages back in safe_copy_page will just reset a 4K
> > > page to
> > > NP because whatever made it NP at the first place already did the
> > > split.
> > > 
> > > Still, on arm64 with DEBUG_PAGEALLOC=n there is a possibility of
> > > a race
> > > between map/unmap dance in __vunmap() and safe_copy_page() that
> > > may
> > > cause access to unmapped memory:
> > > 
> > > __vunmap()
> > >     vm_remove_mappings()
> > >         set_direct_map_invalid()
> > > 					safe_copy_page()	
> > > 					    __kernel_map_pages()
> > > 					    	return
> > > 					    do_copy_page() -> fault
> > > 					   	
> > > This is a theoretical bug, but it is still not nice :) 		
> > > 					
> > 
> > Just to clarify: this patch series fixes this problem, right?
> 
> Yes.
> 

Well, now I'm confused again.

As David pointed, __vunmap() should not be executing simultaneously
with the hibernate operation because hibernate can't snapshot while
data it needs to save is still updating. If a thread was paused when a
page was in an "invalid" state, it should be remapped by hibernate
before the copy.

To level set, before reading this mail, my takeaways from the
discussions on potential hibernate/debug page alloc problems were:

Potential RISC-V issue:
Doesn't have hibernate support

Potential ARM issue:
The logic around when it's cpa determines pages might be unmapped looks
correct for current callers.

Potential x86 page break issue:
Seems to be ok for now, but a new set_memory_np() caller could violate
assumptions in hibernate.

Non-obvious thorny logic: 
General agreement it would be good to separate dependencies.

Behavior of V1 of this patchset:
No functional change other than addition of a warn in hibernate.


So "does this fix the problem", "yes" leaves me a bit confused... Not
saying there couldn't be any problems, especially due to the thorniness
and cross arch stride, but what is it exactly and how does this series
fix it?


  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-28 21:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-25 10:15 [PATCH 0/4] arch, mm: improve robustness of direct map manipulation Mike Rapoport
2020-10-25 10:15 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm: introduce debug_pagealloc_map_pages() helper Mike Rapoport
2020-10-26 11:05   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-10-26 11:54     ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-26 11:55       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-10-25 10:15 ` [PATCH 2/4] PM: hibernate: improve robustness of mapping pages in the direct map Mike Rapoport
2020-10-26  0:38   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-26  9:15     ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-26 18:57       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-27  8:49         ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-27 22:44           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-28  9:41             ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-27  1:10       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-28 21:15   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-29  7:54     ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-29 23:19       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-11-01 17:02         ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-25 10:15 ` [PATCH 3/4] arch, mm: restore dependency of __kernel_map_pages() of DEBUG_PAGEALLOC Mike Rapoport
2020-10-25 10:15 ` [PATCH 4/4] arch, mm: make kernel_page_present() always available Mike Rapoport
2020-10-26  0:54   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-26  9:31     ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-26  1:13 ` [PATCH 0/4] arch, mm: improve robustness of direct map manipulation Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-26  9:05   ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-26 18:05     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-27  8:38       ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-27  8:46         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-10-27  9:47           ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-27 10:34             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-10-28 11:09           ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-28 11:17             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-10-28 12:22               ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-28 18:31             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-28 11:20         ` Will Deacon
2020-10-28 11:30           ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-28 21:03             ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2020-10-29  8:12               ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-29 23:19                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-29  8:15 ` David Hildenbrand

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