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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
To: Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Joe Lawrence <joe.lawrence@redhat.com>,
	Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, bristot@redhat.com, jbaron@akamai.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	mingo@kernel.org, namit@vmware.com, hpa@zytor.com,
	luto@kernel.org, ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 5/6] x86/ftrace: Use text_poke()
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:10:45 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200121161045.dhihqibnpyrk2lsu@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.21.2001210922060.6036@pobox.suse.cz>

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 09:35:28AM +0100, Miroslav Benes wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:05:49AM -0500, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 09:42:17AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > > which are not compatible with livepatching. GCC upstream now has
> > > > > -flive-patching option, which disables all those interfering optimizations.
> > > > 
> > > > Which, IIRC, has a significant performance impact and should thus really
> > > > not be used...
> > > > 
> > > > If distros ship that crap, I'm going to laugh at them the next time they
> > > > want a single digit performance improvement because *important*.
> > > 
> > > I have a crazy plan to try to use objtool to detect function changes at
> > > a binary level, which would hopefully allow us to drop this flag.
> > > 
> > > But regardless, I wonder if we enabled this flag prematurely.  We still
> > > don't have a reasonable way to use it for creating source-based live
> > > patches upstream, and it should really be optional for CONFIG_LIVEPATCH,
> > > since kpatch-build doesn't need it.
> > 
> > I also just discovered that -flive-patching is responsible for all those
> > "unreachable instruction" objtool warnings which Randy has been
> > dutifully bugging me about over the last several months.  For some
> > reason it subtly breaks GCC implicit noreturn detection for local
> > functions.
> 
> Ugh, that is unfortunate. Have you reported it?

Not yet (but I plan to).

> > At this point, I only see downsides of -flive-patching, at least until
> > we actually have real upstream code which needs it.
> 
> Can you explain this? The option makes GCC to avoid optimizations which 
> are difficult to detect and would make live patching unsafe. I consider it 
> useful as it is, so if you shared the other downsides and what you meant 
> by real upstream code, we could discuss it.

Only SLES needs it right?  Why inflict it on other livepatch users?  By
"real upstream code" I mean there's no (documented) way to create live
patches using the method which relies on this flag.  So I don't see any
upstream benefits for having it enabled.

-- 
Josh


  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-21 16:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2019-10-15 14:13                     ` [PATCH v3 5/6] x86/ftrace: Use text_poke() Miroslav Benes
2019-10-15 15:06                       ` Joe Lawrence
2019-10-15 15:31                         ` Jessica Yu
2019-10-15 22:17                           ` Joe Lawrence
2019-10-15 22:27                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-16  7:42                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-16 10:15                                 ` Miroslav Benes
2019-10-21 15:05                                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-20 16:50                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-21  8:35                                     ` Miroslav Benes
2020-01-21 16:10                                       ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2020-01-22 10:09                                         ` Miroslav Benes
2020-01-22 21:42                                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-28  9:28                                             ` Miroslav Benes
2020-01-28 15:00                                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-28 15:40                                                 ` Petr Mladek
2020-01-28 17:02                                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-29  0:46                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2020-01-29  2:17                                                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-29  3:14                                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2020-01-29 12:28                                                     ` Miroslav Benes
2020-01-29 15:59                                                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-30  9:53                                                         ` Petr Mladek
2020-01-30 14:17                                                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-31  7:17                                                             ` Petr Mladek
2020-01-22 12:15                                         ` Miroslav Benes
2020-01-22 15:05                                           ` Miroslav Benes
2020-01-22 22:03                                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-23 10:19                                               ` Martin Jambor
2019-10-16  7:49                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-16 10:20                                 ` Miroslav Benes
2019-10-16 13:29                                   ` Miroslav Benes
2019-10-18 13:03                                     ` Jessica Yu
2019-10-18 13:40                                       ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-21 14:14                                         ` Jessica Yu
2019-10-21 15:31                                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-10-22  8:27                                       ` Miroslav Benes
2019-10-22 14:31                                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-10-23  9:04                                           ` Miroslav Benes
2019-10-16  6:51                         ` Miroslav Benes
2019-10-16  9:23                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-16  9:36                             ` Jessica Yu
2019-10-16  9:51                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-16 12:39                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-22  8:45                             ` Miroslav Benes

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