From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF1AC433E0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 13:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FB620772 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 13:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728392AbgGANNk (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:13:40 -0400 Received: from mx2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:47430 "EHLO mx2.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729033AbgGANNk (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:13:40 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.221.27]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCDDAF69; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 13:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 13:13:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Michael Matz To: Josh Poimboeuf cc: Petr Mladek , Joe Lawrence , Jiri Kosina , Miroslav Benes , Nicolai Stange , Jason Baron , Gabriel Gomes , Alice Ferrazzi , Kamalesh Babulal , ulp-devel@opensuse.org, live-patching@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Live patching MC at LPC2020? In-Reply-To: <20200630214550.cbli6oex4xskwdjp@treble> Message-ID: References: <20200331205204.GA7388@redhat.com> <20200625065943.GB6156@alley> <20200630214550.cbli6oex4xskwdjp@treble> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (LSU 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: live-patching-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: live-patching@vger.kernel.org Hello, On Tue, 30 Jun 2020, Josh Poimboeuf wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 08:59:43AM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote: > > On Tue 2020-03-31 16:52:04, Joe Lawrence wrote: > > It seems that there is interest into sharing/discussing some topics. > > The question is whether is has to be under the LPC even umbrella. > > > > Advantages of LPC: > > > > + well defined date > > + more attendees (ARM people, Steven Rostedt ;-) > > + access to some powerful video conference tool > > + access to another LPC content > > + support for the conference in the long term > > > > > > Advantages of self-organized event: > > > > + less paperwork? > > + cheaper? > > + only interested people invited > > + date after summer holidays > > + more time for the discussion > > > > I am in the favor of self organized event. For me, LPC is much less > > interesting without the personal contact and hallway conversations. > > All the LPC date is not ideal for me. > > I'd prefer LPC proper, as it would be easier (infrastructure is already > taken care of) and more inclusive (in the past we often got good > feedback from outside the direct livepatch community). And it's only > $50 US. Yeah, I think having more attendees would be valuable. > But to be honest I have doubts about the usefulness of any online > conference, so either way may be equally useless ;-) Indeed. OTOH our fellow openSUSE guys seemed to have held a fairly successful virtual summit earlier this year with some in-development virtual-conferencing software that does more than just video/audio streaming ( https://requiredmagic.com/roundtable/ ). In particular the possibility to have interactive Q&A with the presenter during and after the allotted talk slot seemed to have made up for hallway discussions. Maybe that's a viable way. (I personally wasn't at the virtual summit to know for sure, but the experience report from some of them was quite positive; I know nothing about the conferencing software of LPC) Ciao, Michael.