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From: Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Joe Lawrence <joe.lawrence@redhat.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, bristot@redhat.com, jbaron@akamai.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	mingo@kernel.org, namit@vmware.com, hpa@zytor.com,
	luto@kernel.org, ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, pmladek@suse.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 5/6] x86/ftrace: Use text_poke()
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:04:04 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.21.1910231057270.4266@pobox.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191022143107.xkymboxgcgojc5b5@treble>

On Tue, 22 Oct 2019, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 10:27:49AM +0200, Miroslav Benes wrote:
> > > Does that sound like what you had in mind or am I totally off?
> > 
> > Sort of. What I had in mind was that we could get rid of all special .klp 
> > ELF section if module loader guarantees that only sections for loaded 
> > modules are processed. Then .klp.rela.$objname is not needed and proper 
> > .rela.text.$objname (or whatever its text section is named) should be 
> > sufficient. The same for the rest (.klp.arch).
> 
> If I understand correctly, using kvm as an example to-be-patched module,
> we'd have:
> 
>   .text.kvm
>   .rela.text.kvm
>   .altinstructions.kvm
>   .rela.altinstructions.kvm
>   __jump_table.kvm
>   .rela__jump_table.kvm
> 
> etc.  i.e. any "special" sections would need to be renamed.
> 
> Is that right?

Yes.
 
> But also I think *any* sections which need relocations would need to be
> renamed, for example:
> 
>   .rodata.kvm
>   .rela.rodata.kvm
>   .orc_unwind_ip.kvm
>   .rela.orc_unwind_ip.kvm

Correct.
 
> It's an interesting idea.
> 
> We'd have to be careful about ordering issues.  For example, there are
> module-specific jump labels stored in mod->jump_entries.  Right now
> that's just a pointer to the module's __jump_table section.  With late
> module patching, when kvm is loaded we'd have to insert the klp module's
> __jump_table.kvm entries into kvm's mod->jump_entries list somehow.

Yes.
 
> Presumably we'd also have that issue for other sections.  Handling that
> _might_ be as simple as just hacking up find_module_sections() to
> re-allocate sections and append "patched sections" to them.
>
> But then you still have to worry about when to apply the relocations.
> If you apply them before patching the sections, then relative
> relocations would have the wrong values.  If you apply them after, then
> you have to figure out where the appended relocations are.

Ah, right. That is a valid remark.
 
> And if we allow unpatching then we'd presumably have to be able to
> remove entries from the module specific section lists.

Correct.

> So I get the feeling a lot of complexity would creep in.  Even just
> thinking about it requires more mental gymnastics than the
> one-patch-per-module idea, so I view that as a bad sign.

Yes, the devil is in the details. It would be better if the approach 
helped even someone/something else in the kernel. Without it, it is 
probably better to stick to Steven's proposal and handle the complexity 
elsewhere.

Thanks
Miroslav

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-23  9:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2019-10-15 14:13                     ` [PATCH v3 5/6] x86/ftrace: Use text_poke() Miroslav Benes
2019-10-15 15:06                       ` Joe Lawrence
2019-10-15 15:31                         ` Jessica Yu
2019-10-15 22:17                           ` Joe Lawrence
2019-10-15 22:27                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-16  7:42                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-16 10:15                                 ` Miroslav Benes
2019-10-21 15:05                                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-20 16:50                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-21  8:35                                     ` Miroslav Benes
2020-01-21 16:10                                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-22 10:09                                         ` Miroslav Benes
2020-01-22 21:42                                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-28  9:28                                             ` Miroslav Benes
2020-01-28 15:00                                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-28 15:40                                                 ` Petr Mladek
2020-01-28 17:02                                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-29  0:46                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2020-01-29  2:17                                                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-29  3:14                                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2020-01-29 12:28                                                     ` Miroslav Benes
2020-01-29 15:59                                                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-30  9:53                                                         ` Petr Mladek
2020-01-30 14:17                                                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-31  7:17                                                             ` Petr Mladek
2020-01-22 12:15                                         ` Miroslav Benes
2020-01-22 15:05                                           ` Miroslav Benes
2020-01-22 22:03                                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-01-23 10:19                                               ` Martin Jambor
2019-10-16  7:49                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-16 10:20                                 ` Miroslav Benes
2019-10-16 13:29                                   ` Miroslav Benes
2019-10-18 13:03                                     ` Jessica Yu
2019-10-18 13:40                                       ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-21 14:14                                         ` Jessica Yu
2019-10-21 15:31                                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-10-22  8:27                                       ` Miroslav Benes
2019-10-22 14:31                                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-10-23  9:04                                           ` Miroslav Benes [this message]
2019-10-16  6:51                         ` Miroslav Benes
2019-10-16  9:23                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-16  9:36                             ` Jessica Yu
2019-10-16  9:51                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-16 12:39                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-22  8:45                             ` Miroslav Benes

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