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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Subject: Re: ext3-2.4-0.9.4
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:17:53 +0200
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On Thursday 26 July 2001 18:54, Larry McVoy wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 04:18:59PM +0000, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > In article <E15PnTJ-0003z0-00@the-village.bc.nu>,
> >
> > Alan Cox  <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> > >> Go tell your opinion to those people that refuse to wrap their
> > >> rename/link calls with open()/fsync() calls to the respective
> > >> parents, particularly Daniel J. Bernstein, Wietse Z. Venema,
> > >> among others. I don't possibly know all MTAs.
> > >
> > >I've pointed things out to Mr Bernstein before. His normal replies
> > > are not helpful and generally vary between random ravings and
> > > threatening to sue people who publish things on web pages he
> > > disagrees with.
> >
> > Now, now, Alan. He has strong opinions, I'll agree, but I've never
> > see him threaten to _sue_.
>
> In the for what it is worth department, I spent the day with Daniel
> after the kernel summit meeting a while back, we talked file systems
> for about 6 or 7 hours.  While I'll plead guilty to getting mad at
> him (his ego is up there with mine :-), I came away impressed with
> his knowledge. I get the feeling that he thinks deeply about the
> problems he works on, he's probably right a lot of the time, *and* as
> with many deep thinkers, he has a problem communicating his ideas.
>
> This is a common problem, and I'm not sure Daniel is fully aware of
> it. One cannot expect other people to have done the same thinking and
> have the same context, and when they do not, it is easy to get
> frustrated. I think that some of Daniel's "ravings" are probably just
> frustration that the other person "doesn't get it".
>
> That doesn't mean that Daniel is the right hand of God or anything,
> I've seen him do some stupid things but I've seen all of us do some
> stupid things, so that doesn't mean much.  I think Daniel does way
> more smart things than stupid things, and not all of us can claim
> that (sort of like half of the drivers are below average, noone likes
> that idea either).
>
> What I'm trying to say is that I think Daniel is one of the good
> guys, even though his user interface could stand improvement (a
> common thing amongst smart people) and it looks like it would be
> smart to figure out how to work with him.
>
> Just my opinion...

Heh, very interesting, but you seem to have created a collage of two
different Daniels ;-)

--
Daniel