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From: "J. Dow" <jdow@earthlink.net>
To: <andersen@codepoet.org>, "Jeff Garzik" <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>
Cc: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	"LKML" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] My AMD IDE driver, v2.7
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:29:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <01f401c1c98f$3f9748b0$1125a8c0@wednesday> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203111741310.8121-100000@home.transmeta.com> <3C8D667F.5040208@mandrakesoft.com> <01a401c1c970$aeb74110$1125a8c0@wednesday> <3C8D71AC.3080305@mandrakesoft.com> <20020312044112.GA18857@codepoet.org>

From: "Erik Andersen" <andersen@codepoet.org>

> On Mon Mar 11, 2002 at 10:10:36PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> > 1) There should be a raw device command interface (not ATA or SCSI specific)
>
> Hmm.  If such a generic low-level raw device layer were to be
> implemented (presumably as the foundation for the block layer), I
> expect the interface would be somthing like the cdrom layer, and
> would abstract out all the normal things that raw mass-storage
> devices can do.
>
> But the minute such a layer is in place, people will begin going
> straight to the sub-low-level raw device layers so they can use
> all the exciting new extended features of their XP370000 quantum
> storage array which needs the special frob-electrons command to
> make it work...

Erik, that is precisely the point on which the Amiga discussions of
the Direct SCSI command capability in scsi device drivers fell down.
(Due to historical oddities even IDE device drivers feature the direct
SCSI interface via emulation. It seems like an ultimate horror. However
it has enabled some marvelously generic tools.)

{^_^}



  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-03-12  6:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-11 15:13 [patch] My AMD IDE driver, v2.7 Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-11 16:36 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-11 20:49   ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-11 22:45     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-11 22:39       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-11 22:45         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-11 22:53           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  0:14             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-12  0:34               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  0:58                 ` Erik Andersen
2002-03-12  1:33                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  1:41                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  1:50                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-11 18:50                         ` gmack
2002-03-12  2:19                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  2:34                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12 11:21                             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  2:54                           ` J. Dow
2002-03-12  6:32                           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-14 15:12                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-13 18:42                         ` Horst von Brand
2002-03-13 19:11                           ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-12  6:25                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12  7:13                   ` Erik Andersen
2002-03-12 16:40                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-12  0:51               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  1:41                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  1:44                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  2:22                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  2:33                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  2:37                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  3:34                           ` Olivier Galibert
2002-03-12  4:13                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-14 14:13                               ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-15 11:05                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-18 19:20                                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-19  9:29                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-19 21:21                                       ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-19 21:56                                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-20  8:00                                           ` Daniela Engert
2002-03-20 18:11                                             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-20 18:46                                               ` Daniela Engert
2002-03-20 22:15                                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-20 23:09                                               ` Daniel Kobras
2002-03-19 22:33                                         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-20  0:25                                         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-15 14:45                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-12 11:23                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  2:50                       ` J. Dow
2002-03-12  3:10                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  3:28                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  3:46                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  6:10                               ` J. Dow
2002-03-12  3:58                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  4:26                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  4:40                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  6:26                                 ` J. Dow
2002-03-12 11:44                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  4:31                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  5:05                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  5:20                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12 11:39                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  4:49                               ` Erik Andersen
2002-03-12  5:08                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12 11:36                               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  6:05                             ` J. Dow
2002-03-12  4:41                           ` Erik Andersen
2002-03-12  4:48                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  6:30                               ` J. Dow
2002-03-12  6:29                             ` J. Dow [this message]
2002-03-12 16:36                             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-12  2:57                   ` Alan Cox
2002-03-12  2:49                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12 11:17                       ` Alan Cox
2002-03-13  8:14                       ` ide filters / 'ide dump' / 'bio dump' bert hubert
2002-03-13 10:11                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-13 12:05                           ` Malcolm Beattie
2002-03-13 17:17                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12 11:10                   ` [patch] My AMD IDE driver, v2.7 Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  0:33                     ` benh
2002-03-12 20:21                   ` Gunther Mayer
2002-03-12 16:33                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-12 11:00           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12 15:59             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 16:11               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12 16:21                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 16:26                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12 16:33                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 16:41                       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-13  0:01                         ` Russell King
2002-03-12 16:43                       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12 16:50                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 16:58                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-14 14:02                           ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-15 11:13                             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-18 19:21                               ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-13 19:43                   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-12 16:44                 ` Sebastian Droege
2002-03-12 16:17               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12 16:27                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 16:32                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12 20:00             ` [patch] PIIX driver rewrite Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 20:35             ` Sebastian Droege
2002-03-12 20:34               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 21:07               ` Sebastian Droege
2002-03-12 21:19                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-11 23:01         ` [patch] My AMD IDE driver, v2.7 Alan Cox

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