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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, mhocko@kernel.org, vdavydov.dev@gmail.com
Cc: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, songmuchun@bytedance.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Free user PTE page table pages
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:28:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <089e710c-fb06-e731-6d50-7858d6b9ecdf@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5ce5fb25-df1d-b807-8807-595b8a7bfc63@redhat.com>

On 19.07.21 09:34, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 18.07.21 06:30, Qi Zheng wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> This patch series aims to free user PTE page table pages when all PTE entries
>> are empty.
>>
>> The beginning of this story is that some malloc libraries(e.g. jemalloc or
>> tcmalloc) usually allocate the amount of VAs by mmap() and do not unmap those VAs.
>> They will use madvise(MADV_DONTNEED) to free physical memory if they want.
>> But the page tables do not be freed by madvise(), so it can produce many
>> page tables when the process touches an enormous virtual address space.
> 
> ... did you see that I am actually looking into this?
> 
> https://lkml.kernel.org/r/bae8b967-c206-819d-774c-f57b94c4b362@redhat.com
> 
> and have already spent a significant time on it as part of my research,
> which is *really* unfortunate and makes me quite frustrated at the
> beginning of the week alreadty ...
> 
> Ripping out page tables is quite difficult, as we have to stop all page
> table walkers from touching it, including the fast_gup, rmap and page
> faults. This usually involves taking the mmap lock in write. My approach
> does page table reclaim asynchronously from another thread and do not
> rely on reference counts.

FWIW, I had a quick peek and I like the simplistic approach using 
reference counting, although it seems to come with a price. By hooking 
using pte_alloc_get_map_lock() instead of pte_alloc_map_lock, we can 
handle quite some cases easily.

There are cases where we might immediately see a reuse after discarding 
memory (especially, with virtio-balloon free page reporting), in which 
case it's suboptimal to immediately discard instead of waiting a bit if 
there is a reuse. However, the performance impact seems to be 
comparatively small.

I do wonder if the 1% overhead you're seeing is actually because of 
allcoating/freeing or because of the reference count handling on some 
hot paths.

I'm primarily looking into asynchronous reclaim, because it somewhat 
makes sense to only reclaim (+ pay a cost) when there is really need to 
reclaim memory -- similar to our shrinker infrastructure.

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-19 11:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-18  4:30 [PATCH 0/7] Free user PTE page table pages Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 1/7] mm: fix the deadlock in finish_fault() Qi Zheng
2021-07-18 21:28   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-07-19  9:53     ` Qi Zheng
2021-07-20 23:14       ` Andrew Morton
2021-07-21  2:21         ` Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 2/7] mm: introduce pte_install() helper Qi Zheng
2021-07-18 21:31   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-07-19 10:20     ` Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 3/7] mm: remove redundant smp_wmb() Qi Zheng
2021-07-27 13:39   ` Muchun Song
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 4/7] mm: rework the parameter of lock_page_or_retry() Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 5/7] mm: free user PTE page table pages Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  6:19   ` Mika Penttilä
2021-07-19 12:56     ` Qi Zheng
2021-07-19 13:55       ` Mika Penttilä
2021-07-19 14:12         ` Qi Zheng
2021-07-19 14:17           ` Mika Penttilä
2021-07-18 22:01   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-07-19 13:55     ` Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 6/7] mm: defer freeing PTE page table for a grace period Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 7/7] mm: use mmu_gather to free PTE page table Qi Zheng
2021-07-19  7:34 ` [PATCH 0/7] Free user PTE page table pages David Hildenbrand
2021-07-19 11:28   ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2021-07-19 12:42     ` Muchun Song
2021-07-19 13:30       ` Muchun Song
2021-07-20  4:00     ` Qi Zheng

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