From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
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Cc: "Yu, Yu-cheng" <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 18/39] mm: Handle faultless write upgrades for shstk
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:46:27 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0e29a2d0-08d8-bcd6-ff26-4bea0e4037b0@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6a38779c1539c2bcfeb6bc8251ed04aa9b06802e.camel@intel.com>
On 28.01.23 01:51, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> On Fri, 2023-01-27 at 17:12 +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 26.01.23 21:19, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2023-01-26 at 09:46 +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> On 26.01.23 01:59, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2023-01-25 at 10:43 -0800, Rick Edgecombe wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks for your comments and ideas here, I'll give the:
>>>>>> pte_t pte_mkwrite(struct vm_area_struct *vma, pte_t pte)
>>>>>> ...solution a try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, it turns out there are some pte_mkwrite() callers in
>>>>> other
>>>>> arch's
>>>>> that operate on kernel memory and don't have a VMA. So it
>>>>> needed a
>>>>> new
>>>>
>>>> Why not pass in NULL as VMA then and document the semantics? The
>>>> less
>>>> similarly named but slightly different functions, the better :)
>>>
>>> Hmm. The x86 and generic versions should probably have the same
>>> semantics, so then if you pass a NULL, it would do a regular
>>> pte_mkwrite() I guess?
>>>
>>> I see another benefit of requiring the vma argument, such that raw
>>> pte_mkwrite()s are less likely to appear in core MM code. But I
>>> think
>>> the NULL is awkward because it's not obvious, to me at least, what
>>> the
>>> implications of that should be.
>>>
>>> So it will be confusing to read in the NULL cases for the other
>>> archs.
>>> We also have some warnings to catch miss cases in the PTE tear down
>>> code, so the scenario of new code accidentally marking shadow stack
>>> PTEs as writable is not totally unchecked.
>>>
>>> The three functions that do slightly different things are:
>>>
>>> pte_mkwrite():
>>> Makes a PTE conventionally writable, only takes a PTE. Very clear
>>> that
>>> it is a low level helper and what it does.
>>>
>>> maybe_mkwrite():
>>> Might make a PTE writable if the VMA allows it.
>>>
>>> pte_mkwrite_vma():
>>> Makes a PTE writable in a specific way depending on the VMA
>>>
>>> I wonder if the name pte_mkwrite_vma() is maybe just not clear
>>> enough.
>>> It takes a VMA, yes, but what does it do with it?
>>>
>>> What if it was called pte_mkwrite_type() instead? Some arch's have
>>> additional types of writable memory and this function creates them.
>>> Of
>>> course they also have the normal type of writable memory, and
>>> pte_mkwrite() creates that like usual. Doesn't it seem more
>>> readable?
>>
>> The issue is, the more variants we provide the easier it is to make
>> mistakes and introduce new buggy code.
>>
>> It's tempting to simply use pte_mkwrite() and call it a day, where
>> people actually should use pte_mkwrite_vma().
>>
>> Then, they at least have to investigate what to do about the second
>> VMA
>> parameter.
>
> Ok, I'll give it a spin. So far it looks ok. The downside is the giant
> tree-wide pte_mkwrite() signature change, but once that is over with
> there are other advantages. Like getting rid of maybe_mkwrite()'s
> awareness of shadow stack so the logic is more centralized. Please let
> me know if you don't feel comfortable with a suggested-by credit tag.
Sure ...
but I reconsidered :)
Maybe there is a cleaner way to do it and avoid the "NULL" argument.
What about having (while you're going over everything already):
pte_mkwrite(pte, vma)
pte_mkwrite_kernel(pte)
The latter would only be used in that arch code where we're working on
kernel pgtables. We already have pte_offset_kernel() and
pte_alloc_kernel_track(), so it's not too weird.
--
Thanks,
David / dhildenb
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2023-01-19 21:22 [PATCH v5 00/39] Shadow stacks for userspace Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 01/39] Documentation/x86: Add CET shadow stack description Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 0:38 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 02/39] x86/shstk: Add Kconfig option for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 0:40 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 03/39] x86/cpufeatures: Add CPU feature flags for shadow stacks Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 0:44 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 04/39] x86/cpufeatures: Enable CET CR4 bit for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 0:46 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 05/39] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce CET MSR and XSAVES supervisor states Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 0:46 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 06/39] x86/fpu: Add helper for modifying xstate Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 0:47 ` Kees Cook
2023-02-01 11:01 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-01 17:31 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-01 18:18 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 07/39] x86: Add user control-protection fault handler Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 0:50 ` Kees Cook
2023-02-03 19:09 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-03 19:24 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-03 19:44 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-03 23:01 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-04 10:37 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 08/39] x86/mm: Remove _PAGE_DIRTY from kernel RO pages Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 0:52 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 09/39] x86/mm: Move pmd_write(), pud_write() up in the file Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 10/39] x86/mm: Introduce _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 0:55 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-23 9:16 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 9:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 20:56 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-24 16:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 11/39] x86/mm: Update pte_modify for _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 0:57 ` Kees Cook
2023-02-09 14:08 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-09 17:09 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-10 13:57 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-10 17:00 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-17 16:11 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-17 16:53 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 12/39] x86/mm: Update ptep_set_wrprotect() and pmdp_set_wrprotect() for transition from _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 0:58 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 13/39] x86/mm: Start actually marking _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 14/39] mm: Move VM_UFFD_MINOR_BIT from 37 to 38 Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 15/39] mm: Introduce VM_SHADOW_STACK for shadow stack memory Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 16/39] x86/mm: Check shadow stack page fault errors Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 0:59 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 17/39] x86/mm: Update maybe_mkwrite() for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 18/39] mm: Handle faultless write upgrades for shstk Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-23 9:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 20:47 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-24 16:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-24 18:14 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-25 9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-25 18:43 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-26 0:59 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-26 8:46 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-26 20:19 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-27 16:12 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-28 0:51 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-31 8:46 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2023-01-31 23:33 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-01 9:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-01 17:32 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-01 18:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-26 8:57 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-26 20:16 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-27 16:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 19/39] mm: Fixup places that call pte_mkwrite() directly Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 1:01 ` Kees Cook
2023-02-14 0:09 ` Deepak Gupta
2023-02-14 1:07 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-14 6:10 ` Deepak Gupta
2023-02-14 18:24 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-15 6:37 ` Deepak Gupta
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 20/39] mm: Add guard pages around a shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 21/39] mm/mmap: Add shadow stack pages to memory accounting Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 22/39] mm: Re-introduce vm_flags to do_mmap() Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 23/39] mm: Don't allow write GUPs to shadow stack memory Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-23 9:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 10:45 ` Florian Weimer
2023-01-23 20:46 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-24 16:26 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-24 18:42 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-24 23:08 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-24 23:41 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-25 9:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-25 15:23 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-25 15:36 ` Schimpe, Christina
2023-01-25 16:43 ` Schimpe, Christina
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 24/39] x86/mm: Introduce MAP_ABOVE4G Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 25/39] mm: Warn on shadow stack memory in wrong vma Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 1:01 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 26/39] x86: Introduce userspace API for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 1:04 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 27/39] x86/shstk: Add user-mode shadow stack support Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 1:05 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 28/39] x86/shstk: Handle thread shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 29/39] x86/shstk: Introduce routines modifying shstk Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 1:05 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 30/39] x86/shstk: Handle signals for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 31/39] x86/shstk: Introduce map_shadow_stack syscall Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 1:07 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 32/39] x86/shstk: Support WRSS for userspace Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 1:06 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 33/39] x86: Expose thread features in /proc/$PID/status Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 34/39] x86/shstk: Wire in shadow stack interface Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 35/39] selftests/x86: Add shadow stack test Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 36/39] x86/fpu: Add helper for initing features Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 37/39] x86: Add PTRACE interface for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 1:08 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 38/39] x86/shstk: Add ARCH_SHSTK_UNLOCK Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 39/39] x86/shstk: Add ARCH_SHSTK_STATUS Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20 1:08 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 22:26 ` [PATCH v5 00/39] Shadow stacks for userspace Andrew Morton
2023-01-20 17:27 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-20 19:19 ` Kees Cook
2023-01-25 19:46 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-20 17:48 ` John Allen
2023-01-22 8:20 ` Mike Rapoport
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