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From: Dmitry Safonov <0x7f454c46@gmail.com>
To: Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	Dmitry Safonov <dima@arista.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Adrian Reber <adrian@lisas.de>, Andrei Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>,
	Andrei Vagin <avagin@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Andy Tucker <agtucker@google.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@virtuozzo.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, criu@openvz.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/32] x86/vdso: Generate vdso{,32}-timens.lds
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 16:11:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0ff2890b-b6f4-1fe6-bafb-1bdb7bd21d26@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a2bbe610-7553-0ba6-b58b-1013e034b8f6@rasmusvillemoes.dk>

Hi Rasmus,

On 2/7/19 8:31 AM, Rasmus Villemoes wrote:
> These (14-19, if I'm reading them right) seems to add quite a lot of
> complexity and fragility to the build, and other architectures would
> probably have to add something similar to their vdso builds.
> 
> I'm wondering why not make the rule be that a timens takes effect on
> next execve?

I believe, it would make setns() syscall much tricker than wanted:
At this moment the only exception is pidns which changes ns of the child
and not the process-callee.
If exec() would be required to join timens - it may be a challenging
problem for container systems: in order to enter it one needs to
exec("/proc/self/exe") and add some new arguments/options.
Furthermore, it seems to me that to enter container with this semantics,
one needs to enter timens before entering mountns.

IOW, I believe, this would move complexity from kernel build time to
userspace ABI. And I guess, it would require much more logic to
re-create possibly nested namespaces hierarchy.

Rather I've considered using some kind of dynamic patching on vdso_init():
o static_branch - it would add some nops to !timens vdso
o something new like static_retpoline which would put RET over call to
  clk_to_ns(), shouldn't be a rocket since.

But in my point of view, if something can be done in compile time
instead of patching code dynamically - than it reduces the complexity
(lesser depends on what compiler/toolchain does).

Thanks,
          Dmitry

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-07 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-06  0:10 [PATCH 00/32] kernel: Introduce Time Namespace Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 01/32] ns: " Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 02/32] timens: Add timens_offsets Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 03/32] timens: Introduce CLOCK_MONOTONIC offsets Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-07 21:40   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-08  9:02     ` Andrei Vagin
2019-02-08  9:46     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 04/32] timens: Introduce CLOCK_BOOTTIME offset Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 05/32] timerfd/timens: Take into account ns clock offsets Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  8:52   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2019-02-06  8:55     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2019-02-07  6:38     ` Andrei Vagin
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 06/32] posix-timers/timens: Take into account " Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 07/32] timens/kernel: Take into account timens clock offsets in clock_nanosleep Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-08  7:56   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 08/32] timens: Shift /proc/uptime Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 09/32] x86/vdso2c: Correct err messages on file opening Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 10/32] x86/vdso2c: Convert iterator to unsigned Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 11/32] x86/vdso/Makefile: Add vobjs32 Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 12/32] x86/vdso/timens: Add offsets page in vvar Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 13/32] x86/vdso: Build timens .so(s) Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 14/32] x86/VDSO: Build VDSO with -ffunction-sections Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 15/32] x86/vdso2c: Optionally produce linker script for vdso entries Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 16/32] x86/vdso: Generate vdso{,32}-timens.lds Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-07  8:31   ` Rasmus Villemoes
2019-02-07 16:11     ` Dmitry Safonov [this message]
2019-02-08  9:57     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-08 15:18       ` Dmitry Safonov
2019-03-27 18:00       ` Andrei Vagin
2019-03-27 18:06         ` [PATCH RFC] x86/asm: Introduce static_retcall(s) Andrei Vagin
2019-03-27 18:06         ` [PATCH RFC] vdso: introduce timens_static_branch Andrei Vagin
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 17/32] x86/vdso2c: Sort vdso entries by addresses for linker script Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 18/32] x86/vdso.lds: Align !timens (host's) vdso.so entries Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 19/32] x86/vdso2c: Align LOCAL symbols between vdso{-timens,}.so Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 20/32] x86/vdso: Initialize timens 64-bit vdso Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 21/32] x86/vdso: Switch image on setns()/unshare()/clone() Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 22/32] timens: Add align for timens_offsets Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 23/32] timens/fs/proc: Introduce /proc/pid/timens_offsets Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 24/32] selftest/timens: Add Time Namespace test for supported clocks Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:10 ` [PATCH 25/32] selftest/timens: Add a test for timerfd Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:11 ` [PATCH 26/32] selftest/timens: Add a test for clock_nanosleep() Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:11 ` [PATCH 27/32] selftest/timens: Add procfs selftest Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:11 ` [PATCH 28/32] selftest/timens: Add timer offsets test Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:11 ` [PATCH 29/32] selftests: Add a simple perf test for clock_gettime() Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:11 ` [PATCH 30/32] selftest/timens: Check that a right vdso is mapped after fork and exec Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:11 ` [PATCH 31/32] x86/vdso: Align VDSO functions by CPU L1 cache line Dmitry Safonov
2019-02-06  0:11 ` [PATCH 32/32] x86/vdso: Restrict splitting VVAR VMA Dmitry Safonov

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