From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:39:20 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:39:20 -0500 Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ([167.206.5.31]:60355 "EHLO mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:39:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:46:48 -0500 From: Rob Wilkens Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" In-reply-to: <20030111024146.GH9373@work.bitmover.com> To: Larry McVoy Cc: Larry Sendlosky , Richard Stallman , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Reply-to: robw@optonline.net Message-id: <1042253208.1385.58.camel@RobsPC.RobertWilkens.com> Organization: Robert Wilkens MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <7BFCE5F1EF28D64198522688F5449D5A03C0F4@xchangeserver2.storigen.com> <1042250324.1278.18.camel@RobsPC.RobertWilkens.com> <20030111020738.GC9373@work.bitmover.com> <1042251202.1259.28.camel@RobsPC.RobertWilkens.com> <20030111021741.GF9373@work.bitmover.com> <1042252717.1259.51.camel@RobsPC.RobertWilkens.com> <20030111024146.GH9373@work.bitmover.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 21:41, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 09:38:38PM -0500, Rob Wilkens wrote: > > I'm not interested in getting into a pissing contest with linux > > torvalds, even he claims he doesn't have leadership skills > > Bob Young says he doesn't know anything about technology, so does > Scott McNealy. Lots of really smart and skilled people deny their > own skills. That doesn't mean you should believe them. They are > making an effort to make you feel good. Don't take it too literally. Bob Young and Scott McNealy are managers, they know marketting and business, not technology. Linux Torvalds knows "some" technology, and he's proud not to, for example, know anything about what goes on in user land. He actually claimed in his biography that "apache" was a distribution of linux that is commonly used as a web server, apparently not knowing that apache is a cross platform web server that runs on multiple platforms. Anyway... To back up his comment of no leadership skills, he readily points out in the book that he quickly was promoted then again demoted at transmeta when he became (briefly) a team leader. He just didn't have what it took to be a leader, no leadership qualities or skills whatsoever. He's proud of that. I'm glad to work with a guy like that, though, because it also means his ego ain't so high. I'm more likely to contribute kernel code or suggestions freely back and forth with a person like that. Whereas if he were on a high horse, I'd say "whoa, there, bud, why should I give my changes to you again?"... That may be in part why he takes the attitude he has though.. Of course, I don't 'really' know him. I've only read about him.. I'm new to this list, if it's not obvious. -Rob