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From: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@clear.net.nz>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>,
	cat@zip.com.au, mbligh@aracnet.com, gigerstyle@gmx.ch,
	geert@linux-m68k.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Fix SWSUSP & !SWAP
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:09:36 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1051232975.1919.26.camel@laptop-linux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030424154608.V26054@schatzie.adilger.int>

On Fri, 2003-04-25 at 09:46, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On Apr 24, 2003  22:48 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> OK, then why all of the talk earlier saying that journal recovery will
> corrupt a swapfile?  That was the reason journaling was brought into the
> discussion in the first place:
> 
> 	"And now you have kernel which expects data still in journal (that was
> 	 state before suspend), but reality on disk is quite different (journal
> 	 was replayed). Data corruption." -- Pavel

I don't believe Pavel was saying the image would be corrupted. Rather,
the rest of the disk contents are corrupted by replaying the journal and
then resuming back to a memory state that has been made inconsistent
with the disk state because of the journal replay.

> If the filesystem was not unmounted and remounted, then no replay will happen.  
> End of story.  If the suspend code is doing something like:
> 	
> 	1) save memory contents to disk
> 	2) suspend/power off
> 	3) reboot kernel, mount filesystem(s), etc

This is just reboot kernel. Filesystems aren't mounted before (4).

> 	4) check for presence of suspend image
> 	5) replace currently-running kernel with suspended kernel
> 
> Then you are in for a world of hurt regardless of whether the data is in a
> swap file or a swap partition.  The data in the swapfile isn't touched by
> journal replay at all (so that is safe regardless), but the rest of the
> filesystem is, which could cause strange disk corruption since the in-memory
> data doesn't match the on-disk data.

On the second part, "Precisely."

> If that is the case, then the only way to avoid this would be to call
> sync_super_lockfs() on each filesystem before the suspend, which will
> force the journal to be empty when it returns.  That API is supported
> by all of the journaling filesystems, and is probably a good thing to
> do anyways, as it will potentially free a lot of dirty data from RAM,
> and also ensure that the on-disk data is consistent in case the resume
> isn't handled gracefully.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Regards,

Nigel



  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-25  1:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-23 13:51 Fix SWSUSP & !SWAP Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 14:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-23 14:47   ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 15:56     ` gigerstyle
2003-04-23 19:41       ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-23 20:36         ` Marc Giger
2003-04-23 22:25           ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-23 23:28             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 23:58               ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 23:55                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  0:07                 ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24  0:17                   ` CaT
2003-04-24  0:16                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-24  0:26                       ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-04-24  0:31                         ` CaT
2003-04-24  0:38                         ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24  0:54                           ` CaT
2003-04-24  1:06                             ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24  8:48                           ` John Bradford
2003-04-24  0:37                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24  9:12                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  9:25                           ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24  9:35                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  9:46                               ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24 11:13                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-24 11:36                                   ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24 14:26                                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 16:37                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-24 20:48                                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 21:46                                           ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-25  1:09                                             ` Nigel Cunningham [this message]
2003-04-25 12:59                                               ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-25 16:20                                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-25 18:28                                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-25 19:32                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-25 19:58                                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-27 18:59                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 11:36                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-25  1:22                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-25  1:19                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-25  1:31                                       ` Hua Zhong
2003-04-25 19:41                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-25  4:27                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-25  4:33                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-24  0:25                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  9:01                     ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24  9:14                       ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  9:05                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24  9:34                       ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 15:22                     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2003-04-24  8:00             ` Marc Giger
2003-04-23 23:47 Grover, Andrew
2003-04-24  0:03 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 23:57   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  0:25     ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  0:37       ` CaT
2003-04-24  0:49       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  9:16         ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  0:02   ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-24  0:23     ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  0:45     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  3:17       ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-24  4:37         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  7:49           ` Marc Giger
2003-04-24  9:27           ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  3:49   ` David Ford
2003-04-24  6:54     ` Jörn Engel
2003-04-24  7:01     ` Elladan

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