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From: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>,
	Marc-Christian Petersen <m.c.p@wolk-project.de>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	Georg Nikodym <georgn@somanetworks.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthias Mueller <matthias.mueller@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] io stalls (was: -rc7   Re: Linux 2.4.21-rc6)
Date: 09 Jun 2003 20:27:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1055204844.23132.399.camel@tiny.suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030609221950.GF26270@dualathlon.random>

On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 18:19, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:

> > Anyway, less talk, more code.  Treat this with care, it has only been
> > lightly tested.  Thanks to Andrea and Nick whose patches this is largely
> > based on:
> 
> I spent last Saturday working on this too. This is the status of my
> current patches, would be interesting to compare them. they're not very
> well tested yet though.
> 

I'll try to get some numbers in the morning.

> They would obsoletes the old fix-pausing and the old elevator-lowlatency
> (I was going to release a new tree today, but I delayed it so I fixed
> uml today too first [tested with skas and w/o skas]).
> 
> those backout the rc7 interactivity changes (the only one that wasn't in
> my tree was the add_wait_queue_exclusive, that IMHO would better stay
> for scalability reasons).
> 

I didn't test without _exlusive for the final iteration of my patch, but
in all the early ones using _exclusive improve latencies.  I think
people are reporting otherwise because they have hit the sweet spot for
number of procs going after the requests.  With _exclusive they have a
higher chance of getting starved by a new process coming in, without the
_exclusive, each waiter has a fighting chance of getting to the free
request on their own.  Hopefully we can do better with the _exclusive,
it does seem to scale much better.

Aside from the io in flight calculations, the major difference between
our patches is in __get_request_wait.  Once a process waits once, that
call to __get_request_wait ignores q->full in my code.

I found the q->full checks did help, but as you increased the number of
concurrent readers/writers things broke down to the old high latencies. 
By delaying the point where q->full was cleared, I could make the
latency benefit last for a higher number of procs.  Finally I gave up
and left it set until all the waiters were gone, which seems to have the
most consistent results.

The interesting part was it didn't seem to change the hit in
throughput.  The cost was about the same between the original patch and
my final one, but I need to test more.

-chris



  reply	other threads:[~2003-06-10  0:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-29  0:55 Linux 2.4.21-rc6 Marcelo Tosatti
2003-05-29  1:22 ` Con Kolivas
2003-05-29  5:24   ` Marc Wilson
2003-05-29  5:34     ` Riley Williams
2003-05-29  5:57       ` Marc Wilson
2003-05-29  7:15         ` Riley Williams
2003-05-29  8:38         ` Willy Tarreau
2003-05-29  8:40           ` Willy Tarreau
2003-06-03 16:02         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-06-03 16:13           ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-04 21:54             ` Pavel Machek
2003-06-05  2:10               ` Michael Frank
2003-06-03 16:30           ` Michael Frank
2003-06-03 16:53             ` Matthias Mueller
2003-06-03 16:59             ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-03 17:03               ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-03 18:02                 ` Anders Karlsson
2003-06-03 21:12                   ` J.A. Magallon
2003-06-03 21:18                     ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-03 17:23               ` Michael Frank
2003-06-04 14:56             ` Jakob Oestergaard
2003-06-04  4:04           ` Marc Wilson
2003-05-29 10:02 ` Con Kolivas
2003-05-29 18:00 ` Georg Nikodym
2003-05-29 19:11   ` -rc7 " Marcelo Tosatti
2003-05-29 19:56     ` Krzysiek Taraszka
2003-05-29 20:18       ` Krzysiek Taraszka
2003-06-04 18:17         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-06-04 21:41           ` Krzysiek Taraszka
2003-06-04 22:37             ` Alan Cox
2003-06-04 10:22     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-04 10:35       ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-04 10:42         ` Jens Axboe
2003-06-04 10:46           ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-04 10:48             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-04 11:57               ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-04 12:00                 ` Jens Axboe
2003-06-04 12:09                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-04 12:20                     ` Jens Axboe
2003-06-04 20:50                       ` Rob Landley
2003-06-04 12:11                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-04 12:35                 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2003-06-09 21:39                 ` [PATCH] io stalls (was: -rc7 Re: Linux 2.4.21-rc6) Chris Mason
2003-06-09 22:19                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-10  0:27                     ` Chris Mason [this message]
2003-06-10 23:13                     ` Chris Mason
2003-06-11  0:16                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-11  0:44                         ` Chris Mason
2003-06-09 23:51                   ` [PATCH] io stalls Nick Piggin
2003-06-10  0:32                     ` Chris Mason
2003-06-10  0:47                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-10  1:48                     ` Robert White
2003-06-10  2:13                       ` Chris Mason
2003-06-10 23:04                         ` Robert White
2003-06-11  0:58                           ` Chris Mason
2003-06-10  3:22                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-10 21:17                         ` Robert White
2003-06-11  0:40                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-11  0:33                   ` [PATCH] io stalls (was: -rc7 Re: Linux 2.4.21-rc6) Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-11  0:48                     ` [PATCH] io stalls Nick Piggin
2003-06-11  1:07                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-11  0:54                     ` [PATCH] io stalls (was: -rc7 Re: Linux 2.4.21-rc6) Chris Mason
2003-06-11  1:06                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-11  1:57                         ` Chris Mason
2003-06-11  2:10                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-11 12:24                             ` Chris Mason
2003-06-11 17:42                             ` Chris Mason
2003-06-11 18:12                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-11 18:27                                 ` Chris Mason
2003-06-11 18:35                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  1:04                                     ` [PATCH] io stalls Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  1:12                                       ` Chris Mason
2003-06-12  1:29                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  1:37                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  2:22                                         ` Chris Mason
2003-06-12  2:41                                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  2:46                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  2:49                                               ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  2:51                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  2:52                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  3:04                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  2:58                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  3:04                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  3:12                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  3:20                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  3:33                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  3:48                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  4:17                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  4:41                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12 16:06                                                         ` Chris Mason
2003-06-12 16:16                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-25 19:03                                               ` Chris Mason
2003-06-25 19:25                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-25 20:18                                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-06-27  8:41                                                     ` write-caches, I/O stalls: MUST-FIX (was: [PATCH] io stalls) Matthias Andree
2003-06-26  5:48                                                 ` [PATCH] io stalls Nick Piggin
2003-06-26 11:48                                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-06-26 13:04                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-26 13:18                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-26 15:55                                                       ` Chris Mason
2003-06-27  1:21                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-27  1:39                                                           ` Chris Mason
2003-06-27  9:45                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-27 12:41                                                               ` Chris Mason
2003-06-12 11:57                                             ` Chris Mason
2003-06-04 10:43         ` -rc7 Re: Linux 2.4.21-rc6 Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-04 11:01           ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-03 19:45 ` Config issue (CONFIG_X86_TSC) " Paul
2003-06-03 20:18   ` Jan-Benedict Glaw

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