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From: "" <pmarques@grupopie.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	"Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>, Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>,
	Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>, "" <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>,
	"" <torvalds@osdl.org>, "" <linux-mm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Increase page fault rate by prezeroing V1 [2/3]: zeroing and scrubd
Date: Sat,  1 Jan 2005 02:55:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1104548126.41d6111e3c47f@webmail.grupopie.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41D6094C.3040908@yahoo.com.au>

Quoting Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>:
> [...]
> Would you be better off to just have a driver->zero_me(...) call, with this
> logic pushed into those like your BTE which need it? I'm thinking this would
> help flexibility if you had say a BTE-thingy that did an interrupt on
> completion, or if it was done synchronously by the CPU with cache bypassing
> stores.

It seems that people in this discussion are assuming that PC's don't have
hardware to do this at all.

While there is no _official_ hardware, a bt878 with the brightness setting all
the way down, at 1024 pixels per line, 32 bits per pixel would be able to zero
a full physical page in under 60 microseconds (PAL scanline). It could even
zero a _list_ of pages passed to it and generate an interrupt in the end.

This is just an example, and there might be some problems in the implementation
details that make it impossible to work, but there might also be more hardware
out there that could perform similar functions (graphics cards?).

This might not be worth the bother *at all*, but I can imagine some weird
conversation between two sysadmins:
  "My server is wasting a lot of time handling page faults"
  "Why don't you install a video aquisition board with a bt878 chip? It did
wonders on my server"
  "Yes, I've also weard that a radeon graphics card can really accelerate kernel
compiles"

Well, just my 0.02 euro :)

--
Paulo Marques - www.grupopie.com

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."
Lao-tzu, The Way of Lao-tzu


  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-01  2:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <B8E391BBE9FE384DAA4C5C003888BE6F02900FBD@scsmsx401.amr.corp.intel.com>
     [not found] ` <41C20E3E.3070209@yahoo.com.au>
2004-12-21 19:55   ` Increase page fault rate by prezeroing V1 [0/3]: Overview Christoph Lameter
2004-12-21 19:56     ` Increase page fault rate by prezeroing V1 [1/3]: Introduce __GFP_ZERO Christoph Lameter
2004-12-21 19:57     ` Increase page fault rate by prezeroing V1 [2/3]: zeroing and scrubd Christoph Lameter
2005-01-01  2:22       ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-01  2:55         ` pmarques [this message]
2004-12-21 19:57     ` Increase page fault rate by prezeroing V1 [3/3]: Altix SN2 BTE Zeroing Christoph Lameter
2004-12-22 12:46       ` Robin Holt
2004-12-22 19:56         ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 19:29     ` Prezeroing V2 [0/3]: Why and When it works Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 19:33       ` Prezeroing V2 [1/4]: __GFP_ZERO / clear_page() removal Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 19:33         ` Prezeroing V2 [2/4]: add second parameter to clear_page() for all arches Christoph Lameter
2004-12-24  8:33           ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-24 16:18             ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-24 16:27               ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-24 17:02                 ` David S. Miller
2004-12-24 17:05           ` David S. Miller
2004-12-27 22:48             ` David S. Miller
2005-01-03 17:52             ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-01 10:24           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-01-04 23:12             ` Prezeroing V3 [0/4]: Discussion and i386 performance tests Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 23:13               ` Prezeroing V3 [1/4]: Allow request for zeroed memory Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 23:45                 ` Dave Hansen
2005-01-05  1:16                   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-05  1:26                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-05 23:11                       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-05  0:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-05  0:47                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05  1:15                     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-08 21:12                 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-01-08 21:56                   ` David S. Miller
2005-01-21 20:09                     ` alloc_zeroed_user_highpage to fix the clear_user_highpage issue Christoph Lameter
2005-02-09  9:58                       ` [Patch] Fix oops in alloc_zeroed_user_highpage() when page is NULL Michael Ellerman
2005-02-10  0:38                         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-21 20:12                     ` Extend clear_page by an order parameter Christoph Lameter
2005-01-21 22:29                       ` Paul Mackerras
2005-01-21 23:48                         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-22  0:35                           ` Paul Mackerras
2005-01-22  0:43                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-22  1:08                               ` Paul Mackerras
2005-01-22  1:20                               ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-22  1:25                               ` Paul Mackerras
2005-01-22  1:54                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-22  2:53                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2005-01-23  7:45                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-24 16:37                         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-24 20:23                           ` David S. Miller
2005-01-24 20:33                             ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-21 20:15                     ` A scrub daemon (prezeroing) Christoph Lameter
2005-01-10 17:16                   ` Prezeroing V3 [1/4]: Allow request for zeroed memory Christoph Lameter
2005-01-10 18:13                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-10 20:17                       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-10 23:53                       ` Prezeroing V4 [0/4]: Overview Christoph Lameter
2005-01-10 23:54                         ` Prezeroing V4 [1/4]: Arch specific page zeroing during page fault Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11  0:41                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11  0:46                             ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11  0:49                               ` Chris Wright
2005-01-10 23:55                         ` Prezeroing V4 [2/4]: Zeroing implementation Christoph Lameter
2005-01-10 23:55                         ` Prezeroing V4 [3/4]: Altix SN2 BTE zero driver Christoph Lameter
2005-01-10 23:56                         ` Prezeroing V4 [4/4]: Extend clear_page to take an order parameter Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 23:14               ` Prezeroing V3 [2/4]: Extension of " Christoph Lameter
2005-01-05 23:25                 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-06 13:52                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-06 17:47                     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 23:15               ` Prezeroing V3 [3/4]: Page zeroing through kscrubd Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 23:16               ` Prezeroing V3 [4/4]: Driver for hardware zeroing on Altix Christoph Lameter
2005-01-05  2:16                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-05 16:24                   ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 19:34         ` Prezeroing V2 [3/4]: Add support for ZEROED and NOT_ZEROED free maps Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 19:35         ` Prezeroing V2 [4/4]: Hardware Zeroing through SGI BTE Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 20:08         ` Prezeroing V2 [1/4]: __GFP_ZERO / clear_page() removal Brian Gerst
2004-12-24 16:24           ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-23 19:49       ` Prezeroing V2 [0/3]: Why and When it works Arjan van de Ven
2004-12-23 20:57       ` Matt Mackall
2004-12-23 21:01       ` Paul Mackerras
2004-12-23 21:11       ` Paul Mackerras
2004-12-23 21:37         ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-23 23:00           ` Paul Mackerras
2004-12-23 21:48         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-23 22:34           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-24  9:14           ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-12-24 18:21             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-24 18:57               ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-12-27 22:50               ` David S. Miller
2004-12-28 11:53                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-12-24 16:17           ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-24 18:31     ` Increase page fault rate by prezeroing V1 [0/3]: Overview Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-03 17:54       ` Christoph Lameter

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