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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>
Cc: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>, Diego Calleja <diegocg@teleline.es>,
	davidsen@tmr.com, aebr@win.tue.nl, solt2@dns.toxicfilms.tv,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: starting with 2.7
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 00:02:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1104879221.17176.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050104201750.GB22075@alpha.home.local>

On Maw, 2005-01-04 at 20:17, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> So how do some distro makers manage to stabilize their 'enterprise' versions,
> stay on a 2.4.21 with hundreds of patches which overall seem to work pretty
> well ? The distro maker I think about has quite a big crunch of the kernel
> developpers, and I suspect that they do this work themselves. If they can
> refrain from putting new features everyday in their employer's product, why
> can't they do the same for the free version ?

We employ a small army of highly qualified QA and engineering people to
do that. It's very very hard work. In addition we make choices that suit
our business customers but would be very bad for progress if they were
the "base". To a lot of our customers progress is evil unless they can
schedule it six months in advance. 

If the base kernel worked that way we'd not have gotten a useful OS yet.
Don't confuse the deployment goals of big business and the developer
goals of the community. If you stand in the middle you get stretched
into strange directions and eventually (as we found with the Fedora v
RHEL split) you can't do both at the same time.

> one works for me" and stick to it for a time. Indeed, I think that if 2.6.11
> would stay a year in -rc version, then Alan would release tens of 2.6.10
> derivatives which would then become far more stable than what the next 2.6.11
> would be.

It always depends "at what". 2.6.10 is more stable than 2.6.9-ac at SCSI
and USB for example because the backports were too complex.

Alan


  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-05  1:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 222+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-02 20:03 starting with 2.7 Maciej Soltysiak
2005-01-02 20:08 ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-01-02 20:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-02 21:01   ` Re[2]: " Maciej Soltysiak
2005-01-02 21:24   ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-02 21:42     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-02 22:15       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-02 22:49         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-02 23:14           ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-03  0:30           ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03  0:45             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03  1:19               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03  5:33                 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-03 12:33                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 21:38                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-03 22:09                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 23:53                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04  5:06                       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-04  5:29                         ` Sean
2005-01-05  8:42                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05  9:13                           ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-04 13:17                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 13:24                   ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-03 13:47                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 17:18                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:04                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 18:41                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:36                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-03 18:59                           ` Russell King
2005-01-03 19:07                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 19:26                             ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-03 21:06                               ` Alan Cox
2005-01-04  0:24                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-04  3:12                               ` Thomas Graf
2005-01-04  5:33                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 15:21                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 15:58                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 17:38                                       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-01-04 23:51                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05  0:09                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05 18:30                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 18:56                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05 19:08                                           ` Chris Friesen
2005-01-04 15:34                                 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 21:19                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-04 21:43                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 23:50                                       ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05  5:37                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-05  7:04                                           ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05  8:33                                             ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-06 18:08                                       ` Paul Rolland
2005-01-06 21:08                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-06 22:50                                           ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-07 14:34                                           ` Paul Rolland
2005-01-05  0:00                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05  0:33                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-05 18:40                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 21:13                           ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 21:35                             ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-04  0:02                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04  3:32                                 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05  9:27                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 10:57                               ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06  3:15                                 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-01-06 14:03                           ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-06 16:34                             ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2005-01-06 19:32                             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-06 19:58                               ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-06 22:31                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-07  8:33                                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-06 20:48                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 19:28                         ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-03 22:39                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04  7:46                             ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-04 18:34                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 21:03                         ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 23:42                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 17:31                             ` Rahul Karnik
2005-01-04 18:44                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 21:04                         ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-04 21:28                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 21:51                             ` APM vs. ACPI, janitor wanted? [was Re: starting with 2.7] Pavel Machek
2005-01-04 12:57                       ` starting with 2.7 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 15:08                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 15:34                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 16:53                             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 19:57                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 20:30                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 20:34                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 20:55                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 21:23                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 22:01                                 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-04 21:01                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-06  9:45                                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-06 15:50                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-06 16:59                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-06 14:38                                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-04 20:17                         ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-05  0:02                           ` Alan Cox [this message]
2005-01-05  5:49                             ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04  2:06                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-04  2:36                       ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-03 12:52               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:52             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-03 17:15               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-01-02 23:14         ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-02 23:21         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-01-03  9:57           ` Reviving the concept of a stable series (was Re: starting with 2.7) L. A. Walsh
2005-01-03 12:17             ` Robert W. Fuller
2005-01-03 13:58               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 14:24             ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04  4:56               ` David Lang
2005-01-04 14:52                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04  7:00               ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-01-09  0:13               ` Reviving the concept of a stable series L A Walsh
2005-01-10 13:44                 ` Adam Sampson
2005-01-10 16:50                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-10 19:24                   ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 20:50                     ` jmerkey
2005-01-03 22:20             ` Reviving the concept of a stable series (was Re: starting with 2.7) Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 13:08               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 18:20                 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-06 15:31                   ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06 18:23                   ` [PATCH] zap the ACPI shutdown bug (was Re: Reviving the concept of a stable series) Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06 19:07                     ` Dave Jones
2005-01-06 21:19                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03  0:19         ` starting with 2.7 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03  0:38           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03  0:49             ` Adam Mercer
2005-01-03  1:20               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 12:13               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-01-03  1:21             ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 22:26             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:20         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 15:29           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 15:37             ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 17:39               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 20:59                 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 21:47                   ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 21:48                     ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 22:03                       ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 22:10                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 22:14                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-03 23:41                           ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04  5:46                           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04  6:36                             ` Al Viro
2005-01-04 10:23                               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 12:36                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 12:59                                   ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 20:09                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 20:17                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05  6:20                                       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-05 11:30                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-04 20:24                                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-05 13:31                                 ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-05 19:16                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 21:19                                   ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04  9:17                         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-01-04 13:27                         ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 14:27                           ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 15:31                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 16:51                               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 20:58                             ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 23:07                               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 23:18                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 22:04                             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-03 22:01                     ` Sean
2005-01-04  5:44                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 13:11                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 23:21                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:18             ` Wakko Warner
2005-01-03 23:06           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:18     ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 15:34       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 15:46         ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 15:59         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-03 23:34           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04  7:42             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-04 13:14               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 17:47           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 20:18             ` David Lang
2005-01-04 23:03               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-05  7:39                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-06 19:35               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-06 23:33                 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2005-01-07  1:51                 ` David Lang
2005-01-07  5:48                   ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-03 22:53       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-06  3:52       ` Ian Kent
2005-01-06 20:02 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-06 21:29   ` Alan Cox
2005-01-07  0:06     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-07 16:34     ` M. Edward Borasky
2005-01-07 17:25       ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-09  2:31         ` M. Edward Borasky
2005-01-09  3:01           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-09  3:08           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-09 23:02             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10  0:30               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-10  1:26                 ` Indrek Kruusa
2005-01-10  1:28                 ` Dave Airlie
2005-01-10  2:16                   ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-10  4:51                   ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-10 18:27                   ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 20:11                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-10 19:55                       ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 21:08                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-11 16:10                           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 22:19                     ` Dave Airlie
2005-01-11  0:54                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 16:10                       ` Alan Cox
2005-01-04 16:07 Indrek Kruusa
2005-01-07 11:07 Nicolas Mailhot
2005-01-07 11:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 11:17   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 17:34     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-08 15:45       ` Alan Cox
2005-01-11  7:17         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-11 16:10           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-11 17:36             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-11 19:59               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-01-10 21:32   ` Bill Davidsen

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