From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
Return-Path: <linux-kernel-owner+willy=40w.ods.org-S1752103AbWAEHTG@vger.kernel.org>
Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand
	id S1752103AbWAEHTG (ORCPT <rfc822;willy@w.ods.org>);
	Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:19:06 -0500
Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752101AbWAEHTG
	(ORCPT <rfc822;linux-kernel-outgoing>);
	Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:19:06 -0500
Received: from viper.oldcity.dca.net ([216.158.38.4]:2766 "HELO
	viper.oldcity.dca.net") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP
	id S1752099AbWAEHTF (ORCPT <rfc822;linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>);
	Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:19:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal
From: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
To: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>
Cc: Peter Bortas <bortas@gmail.com>, Stefan Smietanowski <stesmi@stesmi.com>,
       Tomasz =?iso-8859-2?Q?K=B3oczko?= <kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>,
       Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>, Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>,
       Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>, Olivier Galibert <galibert@pobox.com>,
       Alistair John Strachan <s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
       perex@suse.cz, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, James@superbug.demon.co.uk,
       sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch, linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net,
       kyle@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org,
       jgarzik@pobox.com, Thorsten Knabe <linux@thorsten-knabe.de>,
       zwane@commfireservices.com, zaitcev@yahoo.com,
       linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601050812040.10161@yvahk01.tjqt.qr>
References: <200601031522.06898.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk>
	 <s5hvex1m472.wl%tiwai@suse.de>
	 <9a8748490601031256x916bddav794fecdcf263fb55@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20060103215654.GH3831@stusta.de> <20060103221314.GB23175@irc.pl>
	 <20060103231009.GI3831@stusta.de>
	 <Pine.BSO.4.63.0601040048010.29027@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
	 <43BB16C0.3080308@stesmi.com>
	 <Pine.BSO.4.63.0601040146540.29027@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
	 <43BB9A0B.3010209@stesmi.com>
	 <7e5f60720601041903s3462bf9bib9ada16fe70ef988@mail.gmail.com>
	 <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601050812040.10161@yvahk01.tjqt.qr>
Content-Type: text/plain
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 02:19:00 -0500
Message-Id: <1136445541.24475.21.camel@mindpipe>
Mime-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Evolution 2.5.3 
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org
X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org

On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 08:13 +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> >No. Everything on Solaris uses the Solaris native sound API except for
> >possibly quick-hack ports of applications from Linux. Doing anything
> >else would as you say be insane and break things like device
> >redirection on Sunrays.
> >
> Device redirection is just "writing to a different /dev node" - on
> Solaris and Linux. IIRC, the API is the same.

This whole "OSS is cross platform" thing seems mostly like a cop out by
lazy developers who can't be bothered to grok ALSA.  None of the usual
offenders (Skype, Quake 3, Doom 3) run on any other Unix platform so why
not just use ALSA?

It does not help that the most problematic apps seem to be proprietary
(most likely they are abusing the OSS API in a way that no one
anticipated).

Lee