From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750745AbWDXMcj (ORCPT ); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:32:39 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750741AbWDXMcj (ORCPT ); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:32:39 -0400 Received: from outpipe-village-512-1.bc.nu ([81.2.110.250]:20384 "EHLO lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750742AbWDXMci (ORCPT ); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:32:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) From: Alan Cox To: Lars Marowsky-Bree Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Ken Brush , linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20060424082424.GH440@marowsky-bree.de> References: <1145309184.14497.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200604180229.k3I2TXXA017777@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <4445484F.1050006@novell.com> <200604182301.k3IN1qh6015356@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <4446D378.8050406@novell.com> <200604201527.k3KFRNUC009815@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <200604211951.k3LJp3Sn014917@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <200604230945.k3N9jZDW020024@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20060424082424.GH440@marowsky-bree.de> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:42:31 +0100 Message-Id: <1145882551.29648.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 (2.2.3-2.fc4) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Llu, 2006-04-24 at 10:24 +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > On 2006-04-23T05:45:34, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > > > > AppArmor are not likely to put careful thought into the policies that > > > they use? > > They're not likely to put careful thought into it, *AND* that saying things > > like "AppArmor is so *simple* to configure" only makes things worse - this > > encourages unqualified people to create broken policy configurations. > > That is about the dumbest argument I've heard so far, sorry. Its the conclusion of most security experts I know that broken security is worse than no security at all.