From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750830AbWDXOVY (ORCPT ); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:21:24 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750792AbWDXOVY (ORCPT ); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:21:24 -0400 Received: from outpipe-village-512-1.bc.nu ([81.2.110.250]:19387 "EHLO lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750784AbWDXOVX (ORCPT ); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:21:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) From: Alan Cox To: "Serge E. Hallyn" Cc: Lars Marowsky-Bree , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Ken Brush , linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20060424140407.GD22703@sergelap.austin.ibm.com> References: <4446D378.8050406@novell.com> <200604201527.k3KFRNUC009815@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <200604211951.k3LJp3Sn014917@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <200604230945.k3N9jZDW020024@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20060424082424.GH440@marowsky-bree.de> <1145882551.29648.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060424125641.GD9311@sergelap.austin.ibm.com> <1145887333.29648.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060424140407.GD22703@sergelap.austin.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:31:34 +0100 Message-Id: <1145889094.29648.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 (2.2.3-2.fc4) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Llu, 2006-04-24 at 09:04 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: > Quoting Alan Cox (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk): > > Thus this sort of stuff needs to be taken seriously. Can SuSE provide a > > good reliable policy for AppArmour to people, can Red Hat do the same > > with SELinux ? > > That's a little more than half the question. The other 40% is can users > write good policies. Normal users don't write file system allocation policies, they don't configure the safety systems for their car and they don't generally configure most other similar policies.