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From: Gilboa Davara <gilboad@gmail.com>
To: LKML Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@argo.co.il>
Subject: Re: Kernel Development & Objective-C
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:35:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1196685331.3969.20.camel@gilboa-work-dev.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47539030.10600@argo.co.il>


On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 07:12 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Andi Kleen wrote:
> > Avi Kivity <avi@argo.co.il> writes:
> >   
> >> [I really doubt there are that many of these; syscall
> >> entry/dispatch/exit, interrupt dispatch, context switch, what else?]
> >>     
> >
> > Networking, block IO, page fault, ... But only the fast paths in these 
> > cases. A lot of the kernel is slow path code and could probably
> > be written even in an interpreted language without much trouble.
> >
> >   
> 
> Even these (with the exception of the page fault path) are hardly "we 
> care about a single instruction" material suggested above.  Even with a 
> million packets per second per core (does such a setup actually exist?)  
> You have a few thousand cycles per packet.  For block you'd need around 
> 5,000 disks per core to reach such rate

Intel's newest dual 10GbE NIC can easily (?) throw ~14M packets per
second. (theoretical peak at 1514bytes/frame)
Granted, installing such a device on a single CPU/single core machine is
absurd - but even on an 8 core machine (2 x Xeon 53xx/54xx / AMD
Barcelona) it can still generate ~1M packets/s per core.

Now assuming you're doing low-level (passive) filtering of some sort
(frame/packet routing, traffic interception and/or packet analysis)
using hardware assistance (TSO, complete TCP offloading, etc) is off the
table and each and every cycle within netif_receive_skb (and friends)
-counts-.

I don't suggest that the kernel should be (re)designed for such (niche)
applications but on other hand, if it works...

- Gilboa


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-03 12:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-29 12:14 Kernel Development & Objective-C Ben Crowhurst
2007-11-30 10:02 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-11-30 10:09   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2007-11-30 10:20     ` Xavier Bestel
2007-11-30 10:54       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-30 14:21         ` David Newall
2007-11-30 23:31           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-11-30 23:40             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-01  0:05               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2007-12-01 18:27               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-12-01 18:18                 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-03  1:23                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-11-30 22:52     ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 10:29 ` Loïc Grenié
2007-11-30 11:16   ` Ben Crowhurst
2007-11-30 11:36     ` Karol Swietlicki
2007-11-30 14:37     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-08  8:54     ` Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.
2007-11-30 23:19   ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 23:53     ` Nicholas Miell
2007-12-01  0:31     ` Al Viro
2007-12-01  0:34       ` Al Viro
2007-12-01  1:09       ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-01 19:55       ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 17:54     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-04 21:10       ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 21:24       ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 11:37 ` Matti Aarnio
2007-11-30 14:34 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-11-30 15:26   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-11-30 18:40     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-30 19:35       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-12-01 20:03     ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-02 19:01       ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03  5:12         ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-03  9:50           ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 11:46             ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-03 11:50               ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 21:13               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-03 21:39                 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-03 21:57                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 21:47                     ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-04 22:20                       ` Diego Calleja
2007-12-05 10:59                         ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-12-04 21:07                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 22:43                   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-05 17:05                     ` Micro vs macro optimizations (was: Re: Kernel Development & Objective-C) Avi Kivity
2007-12-03 12:35           ` Gilboa Davara [this message]
2007-12-03 12:44             ` Kernel Development & Objective-C Gilboa Davara
2007-12-03 16:28             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-04 17:50             ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-05 10:31               ` Gilboa Davara
2007-12-01 19:59   ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-02 19:44     ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-03 16:53     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-11-30 15:00 ` Chris Snook
2007-12-01  9:50   ` David Newall

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