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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Venki Pallipadi <venki@google.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Kamalesh Babulal <kamalesh@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 08/14] sched: normalize tg load contributions against runnable time
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:34:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1329482054.2293.273.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1329348972.2293.189.camel@twins>

On Thu, 2012-02-16 at 00:36 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 17:38 -0800, Paul Turner wrote:
> > Entities of equal weight should receive equitable distribution of cpu time.
> > This is challenging in the case of a task_group's shares as execution may be
> > occurring on multiple cpus simultaneously.
> > 
> > To handle this we divide up the shares into weights proportionate with the load
> > on each cfs_rq.  This does not however, account for the fact that the sum of
> > the parts may be less than one cpu and so we need to normalize:
> >   load(tg) = min(runnable_avg(tg), 1) * tg->shares
> > Where runnable_avg is the aggregate time in which the task_group had runnable
> > children.
> 
> 
> >  static inline void __update_group_entity_contrib(struct sched_entity *se)
> >  {
> >         struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq = group_cfs_rq(se);
> >         struct task_group *tg = cfs_rq->tg;
> > +       int runnable_avg;
> >  
> >         se->avg.load_avg_contrib = (cfs_rq->tg_load_contrib * tg->shares);
> >         se->avg.load_avg_contrib /= atomic64_read(&tg->load_avg) + 1;
> > +
> > +       /*
> > +        * Unlike a task-entity, a group entity may be using >=1 cpu globally.
> > +        * However, in the case that it's using <1 cpu we need to form a
> > +        * correction term so that we contribute the same load as a task of
> > +        * equal weight. (Global runnable time is taken as a fraction over 2^12.)
> > +        */
> > +       runnable_avg = atomic_read(&tg->runnable_avg);
> > +       if (runnable_avg < (1<<12)) {
> > +               se->avg.load_avg_contrib *= runnable_avg;
> > +               se->avg.load_avg_contrib /= (1<<12);
> > +       }
> >  } 
> 
> This seems weird, and the comments don't explain anything.
> 
> Ah,.. you can count runnable multiple times (on each cpu), this also
> means that the number you're using (when below 1) can still be utter
> crap.
> 
> Neither the comment nor the changelog mention this, it should, it should
> also mention why it doesn't matter (does it?).

Since we don't know when we were runnable in the window, we can take our
runnable fraction as a flat probability distribution over the entire
window.

The combined answer we're looking for is what fraction of time was any
of our cpus running.

Take p_i to be the runnable probability of cpu i, then the probability
that both cpu0 and cpu1 were runnable is pc_0,1 = p_0 * p_1, so the
probability that either was running is p_01 = p_0 + p_1 - pc_0,1.

The 3 cpu case becomes when was either cpu01 or cpu2 running, yielding
the iteration: p_012 = p_01 + p_2 - pc_01,2.

p_012 = p_0 + p_1 + p_2 - (p_0 * p_1 + (p_0 + p_1 - p_0 * p_1) * p_2)

Now for small values of p our combined/corrective term is small, since
its a product of small, which is smaller, however it becomes more
dominant the nearer we get to 1.

Since its more likely to get near to 1 the more CPUs we have, I'm not
entirely convinced we can ignore it.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-17 12:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-02  1:38 [RFC PATCH 00/14] sched: entity load-tracking re-work Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 05/14] sched: account for blocked load waking back up Paul Turner
2012-02-16 15:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 13:00     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-16 16:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 11:39     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 01/14] sched: track the runnable average on a per-task entitiy basis Paul Turner
2012-02-15 23:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 11:43     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-16 13:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 11:44     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 07/14] sched: compute load contribution by a group entity Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 06/14] sched: aggregate total task_group load Paul Turner
2012-02-17  4:41   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-02-17 10:52     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 03/14] sched: aggregate load contributed by task entities on parenting cfs_rq Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 04/14] sched: maintain the load contribution of blocked entities Paul Turner
2012-02-16 12:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 11:53     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 02/14] sched: maintain per-rq runnable averages Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 08/14] sched: normalize tg load contributions against runnable time Paul Turner
2012-02-15 23:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 12:32     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-20 16:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 12:34     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2012-02-15 23:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 09/14] sched: maintain runnable averages across throttled periods Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 12/14] sched: update_cfs_shares at period edge Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 13/14] sched: make __update_entity_runnable_avg() fast Paul Turner
2012-02-06 20:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 12:49     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 11/14] sched: refactor update_shares_cpu() -> update_blocked_avgs() Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 14/14] sched: implement usage tracking Paul Turner
2012-02-16 13:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 10:54     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-20 16:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-16 16:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 11:32     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-20 16:30       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-29 10:37   ` sched per task ARM fix Pantelis Antoniou
2012-02-29 10:37   ` [PATCH 1/2] sched: entity load-tracking re-work - Fix for ARM Pantelis Antoniou
2012-02-28 17:45     ` Morten Rasmussen
2012-02-28 17:52       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-02-29 10:37   ` [PATCH 2/2] sched: load-tracking compile when cgroup undefined Pantelis Antoniou
2012-03-13 16:57   ` [RFC PATCH 14/14] sched: implement usage tracking Vincent Guittot
2012-03-14 15:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-14 15:45       ` Vincent Guittot
2012-03-14 15:47       ` Paul Turner
2012-03-15 10:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-14 15:44     ` Paul Turner
2012-02-02  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 10/14] sched: replace update_shares weight distribution with per-entity computation Paul Turner
2012-02-06 20:02 ` [RFC PATCH 00/14] sched: entity load-tracking re-work Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17  9:07 ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-02-17 10:48   ` Paul Turner
2012-02-20  9:41     ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-02-21  2:33       ` Paul Turner
2012-02-20 17:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 10:39 ` Morten Rasmussen
2012-03-13 16:44   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-13 17:08     ` Anca Emanuel
2012-03-13 17:23       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-14  9:03       ` Amit Kucheria
2012-03-14 19:19         ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-13 17:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 10:57 ` Vincent Guittot
2012-03-14 15:59   ` Paul Turner
2012-03-15  9:59     ` Vincent Guittot
2012-04-25 13:07     ` Vincent Guittot

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