From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752050AbaEFQjY (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 May 2014 12:39:24 -0400 Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com ([209.85.220.47]:50199 "EHLO mail-pa0-f47.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750736AbaEFQjW (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 May 2014 12:39:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1399394359.15399.20.camel@edumazet-glaptop2.roam.corp.google.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/24] net, diet: Make TCP metrics optional From: Eric Dumazet To: josh@joshtriplett.org Cc: David Miller , andi@firstfloor.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tom.zanussi@linux.intel.com, ak@linux.intel.com Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 09:39:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20140506155703.GA20391@cloud> References: <1399328773-6531-9-git-send-email-andi@firstfloor.org> <20140505.231229.136734008603421707.davem@davemloft.net> <20140506032114.GP2382@two.firstfloor.org> <20140505.232327.578134514220748085.davem@davemloft.net> <20140506155703.GA20391@cloud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3-0ubuntu6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 08:57 -0700, josh@joshtriplett.org wrote: > A NAK isn't going to cut it, here; tiny Linux systems are going to > exist, and they shouldn't have to maintain a long-term out-of-tree fork > or use crazy things like LWIP. What's wrong with user space implementations of networking stacks ? For many usages, it can bring 10 times the performance of having user application and kernel sockets. In any cases, we do not model kernel implementations to 'compete' with user space. We simply can not compete with user space, as a programmer is free to keep what he really wants/needs. I have started using linux on 386/486 pcs which had more than 2MB of memory, it makes me sad we want linux-3.16 to run on this kind of hardware, and consuming time to save few KB here and here.