From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755043AbdKNMWA (ORCPT ); Tue, 14 Nov 2017 07:22:00 -0500 Received: from mx0b-001b2d01.pphosted.com ([148.163.158.5]:35394 "EHLO mx0a-001b2d01.pphosted.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752278AbdKNMVv (ORCPT ); Tue, 14 Nov 2017 07:21:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Firmware signing -- Re: [PATCH 00/27] security, efi: Add kernel lockdown From: Mimi Zohar To: Linus Torvalds , David Howells Cc: Alan Cox , "Luis R. Rodriguez" , "AKASHI, Takahiro" , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Jan Blunck , Julia Lawall , Marcus Meissner , Gary Lin , LSM List , linux-efi , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Matthew Garrett Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 07:21:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: <150842463163.7923.11081723749106843698.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <14219.1509660259@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <1509660641.3416.24.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20171107230700.GJ22894@wotan.suse.de> <20171108061551.GD7859@linaro.org> <20171108194626.GQ22894@wotan.suse.de> <20171109014841.GF7859@linaro.org> <1510193857.4484.95.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20171109044619.GG7859@linaro.org> <20171111023240.2398ca55@alans-desktop> <20171113174250.GA22894@wotan.suse.de> <20171113210848.4dc344bd@alans-desktop> <454.1510609487@warthog.procyon.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.20.5 (3.20.5-1.fc24) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 x-cbid: 17111412-0012-0000-0000-0000058D1AAC X-IBM-AV-DETECTION: SAVI=unused REMOTE=unused XFE=unused x-cbparentid: 17111412-0013-0000-0000-00001907D497 Message-Id: <1510662098.3711.139.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2017-11-14_05:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1709140000 definitions=main-1711140169 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: On Mon, 2017-11-13 at 14:09 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 1:44 PM, David Howells wrote: > > > > Whilst that may be true, we either have to check signatures on every bit of > > firmware that the appropriate driver doesn't say is meant to be signed or not > > bother. > > I vote for "not bother". > > Seriously, if you have firmware in /lib/firmware, and you don't trust > it, what the hell are you doing? I might "trust" the files in /lib/firmware, but I also want to make sure that they haven't changed.  File signatures provide file provenance and integrity guarantees. Mimi