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From: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	"Tobin C . Harding" <me@tobin.cc>, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] vsprintf: Prevent crash when dereferencing invalid pointers
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2018 16:40:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1522762858.21176.327.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180403131346.vwjpz475fzah5a6p@pathway.suse.cz>

On Tue, 2018-04-03 at 15:13 +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> On Tue 2018-04-03 14:54:18, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > On Tue, 2018-04-03 at 13:46 +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> > > On Mon 2018-04-02 17:15:23, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2018-03-29 at 16:53 +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> > > > > On Fri 2018-03-16 20:19:35, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 2018-03-15 at 16:26 +0100, Petr Mladek wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu 2018-03-15 15:09:03, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > > > > > > > I still think that printing a hex value of the error
> > > > > > > > code is
> > > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > than some odd "(efault)".
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Do you mean (err:0e)? Google gives rather confusing
> > > > > > > answers
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > this.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > More like "(0xHHHH)" (we have already more than 512 error
> > > > > > code
> > > > > > numbers.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hmm, I have never seen the error code in this form.
> > > > 
> > > > We have limited space to print it and error numbers currently
> > > > can be
> > > > up
> > > > to 0xfff (4095). So, I have no better idea how to squeeze them
> > > > while
> > > > thinking that "(efault)" is much harder to parse in case of
> > > > error
> > > > pointer.
> > > 
> > > But this will not be used instead of address value. It is used in
> > > situations
> > > where we print the information that is stored at the address, for
> > > example,
> > > string, IP address, dentry name.
> > 
> > We have a lot of API functions which returns:
> > -ERR_PTR
> > NULL
> > struct foo *
> > 
> > There is no guarantee that one of that API won't be used as a
> > supplier
> > for printf().
> 
> OK, I think that I have finally understood it. You would like to
> detect ERR_PTR values and handle them specially? I mean to show
> the value?
> 
> But then we would need to distinguish three types of errors,
> something like:
> 
>  + (null)       for pure NULL address
>  + (e:XXXX)     for address in IS_ERR_VALUE() range

// Just IS_ERR(). IS_ERR_VALUE() is not meant to be used widely

>  + (efault)     for any other invalid address
> 
> Then people might want to see values also from the first 4096 bytes.
> This is getting too complicated.

No, it's not. (null) case is already in kernel, you came with (efault),
but IS_ERR() case or any other case like it is just printing of standard
pointer value. See in the code where special_hex_number() is called.

>  I am not sure if it is worth it.

Your patch will hide values for error codes. Not good for debugging.

> 
> 
> > You can't dereference ERR_PTR value, but anything else except the
> > actual
> > error value is worse than value itself...
> 
> Yes and no, see below.

Yes, there is no "no".

> 
> > > 
> > > > >  Also google gives
> > > > > rather confusing results when searching, for example for
> > > > > "(0x000E)".
> > > > 
> > > > It's not primarily for google, though yeah, people would google
> > > > for
> > > > error messages...
> > > > 
> > > > Another question is what the format: decimal versus hex for
> > > > errors.
> > > > Maybe just "(-DDDDD)"?
> > > 
> > > This still looks confusing and google does not help.
> > 
> > ...then we have a last option just to print a value as a pointer
> > address.
> 
> We could not print the real address from security reasons. The hashed
> pointer value is not much helpful. IMHO, a common error string is
> easier to spot or search for.

Did you read what I'm writing? How on the earth the pointer in the range
of -1...-4095 would be a security issue?!

-- 
Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
Intel Finland Oy

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-03 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-16 21:07 [PATCH v2 1/9] lib/test_printf: Mark big constant with ULL Andy Shevchenko
2018-02-16 21:07 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] lib/vsprintf: Make dec_spec global Andy Shevchenko
2018-04-11  9:44   ` Petr Mladek
2018-02-16 21:07 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] lib/vsprintf: Make strspec global Andy Shevchenko
2018-04-11  9:44   ` Petr Mladek
2018-02-16 21:07 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] lib/vsprintf: Make flag_spec global Andy Shevchenko
2018-04-11  9:45   ` Petr Mladek
2018-02-16 21:07 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] lib/vsprintf: Move pointer_string() upper Andy Shevchenko
2018-04-11  9:45   ` Petr Mladek
2018-02-16 21:07 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] lib/vsprintf: Deduplicate pointer_string() Andy Shevchenko
2018-04-11  9:46   ` Petr Mladek
2018-02-16 21:07 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] lib/vsprintf: Replace space with '_' before crng is ready Andy Shevchenko
2018-02-20  2:57   ` [此邮件可能存在风险] " Yang, Shunyong
2018-04-11  9:47   ` Petr Mladek
2018-02-16 21:07 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] lib/vsprintf: Remove useless NULL checks Andy Shevchenko
2018-02-27 15:50   ` Petr Mladek
2018-02-27 17:35     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-02-28 10:04       ` Petr Mladek
2018-02-28 10:42         ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-02 12:51           ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-02 12:53             ` [PATCH] vsprintf: Make "null" pointer dereference more robust Petr Mladek
2018-03-02 14:17               ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-05 14:53                 ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-29 15:13                 ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-29 16:11                   ` Joe Perches
2018-03-05 15:16               ` Rasmus Villemoes
2018-03-05 15:25                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-06  9:25                 ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-06  9:56                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-07 15:52                     ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-07 18:18                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-07 18:34                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-08 14:18                         ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-08 16:45                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-08 17:26                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09 15:01                               ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-09 19:05                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-14 14:09                                   ` [PATCH v3] vsprintf: Prevent crash when dereferencing invalid pointers Petr Mladek
2018-03-14 22:12                                     ` Rasmus Villemoes
2018-03-15 15:07                                       ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-15 17:07                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-15 17:06                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-15  0:57                                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-03-15  7:58                                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-03-15  8:03                                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-03-15 17:01                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-16  1:18                                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-03-16  1:35                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-16  5:53                                               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-03-16  8:55                                                 ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-16 14:32                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-17  1:29                                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-03-15 13:07                                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-15 13:09                                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-15 15:26                                       ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-16 18:19                                         ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-29 14:53                                           ` Petr Mladek
2018-04-02 14:15                                             ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-04-03  1:12                                               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-04-03 11:52                                                 ` Petr Mladek
2018-04-03 11:56                                                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-04-03 13:57                                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-04-03 11:46                                               ` Petr Mladek
2018-04-03 11:54                                                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-04-03 13:13                                                   ` Petr Mladek
2018-04-03 13:40                                                     ` Andy Shevchenko [this message]
2018-04-03 14:50                                                       ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-15 14:48                                     ` kbuild test robot
2018-03-15 20:26                                     ` kbuild test robot
2018-03-06 18:11                   ` [PATCH 1/2] vsprintf: distinguish between (null), (err) and (invalid) pointer derefs Adam Borowski
2018-03-06 18:11                     ` [PATCH 2/2] vsprintf: don't dereference pointers to the first or last page Adam Borowski
2018-03-07 13:22                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-07 13:17                     ` [PATCH 1/2] vsprintf: distinguish between (null), (err) and (invalid) pointer derefs Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-07 13:42                       ` Adam Borowski
2018-03-07 13:29                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-02 14:15             ` [PATCH v2 8/9] lib/vsprintf: Remove useless NULL checks Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-05 14:57               ` Petr Mladek
2018-02-28 10:44         ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-03-01 14:56         ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-02-16 21:07 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] lib/vsprintf: Mark expected switch fall-through Andy Shevchenko
2018-04-11  9:47   ` Petr Mladek
2018-02-18 12:58 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] lib/test_printf: Mark big constant with ULL Luc Van Oostenryck
2018-02-18 14:20   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-02-19 15:24   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-04-11  9:41     ` Petr Mladek
2018-02-18 21:52 ` Tobin C. Harding
2018-02-18 23:55   ` Andy Shevchenko

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