From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264146AbTDWRZg (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:25:36 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264150AbTDWRZc (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:25:32 -0400 Received: from e32.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.130]:59294 "EHLO e32.co.us.ibm.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264146AbTDWRZ2 (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:25:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:26:38 -0700 From: "Martin J. Bligh" To: Pat Suwalski , Matthias Schniedermeyer cc: Marc Giger , linux-kernel Subject: Re: [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered. Message-ID: <1527920000.1051118798@flay> In-Reply-To: <3EA6947D.9080106@suwalski.net> References: <21660000.1051114998@[10.10.2.4]> <20030423164558.GA12202@citd.de> <1508310000.1051116963@flay> <20030423172120.GA12497@citd.de> <3EA6947D.9080106@suwalski.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.2 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org >> I can only guess why. My buest guess is that not all >> sound-configurations are the same, on some systems the "defaults" could >> much to loud. (e.g. waking the neigbours when you restart you computer >> at night) > > This is certainly the case. When I was packaging OSS for Xandros, our initial default was 50 percent. We eventualyl made it about 30, because even that was too loud on a laptop we were testing. There was little coherance between the various soundcards. > > Waking the neighbors is the smallest problem. Blowing a speaker or makign the user deaf if quite another. > > Yes, it's a distro problem. My Gentoo was build "-alsa" and so the alsa-sound init script does not 'go'. A simple rebuild will solve the problem. I agree it's a disto problem to save and restore. But I fail to understand how the distro can magically set a sensible default, and yet we're unable to do so inside the kernel ? Setting it to something like 10 (or other very quiet setting) would seem reasonable. Then at least the poor user would have a clue what the problem was. As to "There was little coherance between the various soundcards", yes this probably needs to be a per-soundcard setting for sensible defaults. I presume this is what the distros do? Defaulting to silence seems user-malevolent ... M.