From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA77CECDE30 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F63A2150F for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=hansenpartnership.com header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.b="kFPblzwN" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 7F63A2150F Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=HansenPartnership.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727481AbeJQXpg (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:45:36 -0400 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([66.63.167.143]:53320 "EHLO bedivere.hansenpartnership.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727028AbeJQXpg (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:45:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1B58EE2EC; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id evRBtEwDzxvp; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.66.254.194] (unknown [50.35.68.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 538858EE0D2; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:49:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1539791357; bh=4D0PHBOAn1C9vypOtrdXPEVr2Q4If3Bamahksgp/CF0=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=kFPblzwNAQmsjIzsZSPuEB9uy389tkavCsleeLP7MbWb8cy3t2PTvT2DF/dvod4ZK XWYUTLJscN/SRz5xdIDXEb+Wr0vj5c2biEBNumcExHHQsB0BdFWRrUm5A8wEW34Txb F8K/C1wBC+kKWgDsPk82K0hluuhk4VMJyp/4tGXs= Message-ID: <1539791355.3769.35.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors From: James Bottomley To: Josh Triplett , Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, tomi.valkeinen@iki.fi Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:49:15 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20181017152101.GA17531@localhost> References: <20181017071902.30102-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181017091325.GA15991@localhost> <20181017152101.GA17531@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2018-10-17 at 08:21 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > People in underrepresented and commonly marginalized groups, > especially those more commonly overlooked, don't always know if a > given group has taken their particular group into account or given > any thought to it. Explicit inclusion helps, and this is a standard > guideline often cited for good codes of conduct. Actually, that's not a good thing to do in a vacuum: you have to be really careful about how you do this from a legal point of view. The argument over whether enumerating specific rights or classes disparages others has been going on for centuries. To give you an example of how far back it goes: it's the reason for the ninth amendment to the US constitution. The commonly accepted legal way of doing this today is the statement "examples of X include but are not limited to: ..." which is thought to work in most jurisdictions and is what you'll find in all US corporate codes of conduct or ethics. James