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From: Qian Cai <cai@lca.pw>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, john.ogness@linutronix.de,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm/page_isolation: fix a deadlock with printk()
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 09:23:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1570541032.5576.297.camel@lca.pw> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191008091349.6195830d@gandalf.local.home>

On Tue, 2019-10-08 at 09:13 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 10:15:10 +0200
> Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
> 
> > There are basically three possibilities:
> > 
> > 1. Do crazy exercises with locks all around the kernel to
> >    avoid the deadlocks. It is usually not worth it. And
> >    it is a "whack a mole" approach.
> > 
> > 2. Use printk_deferred() in problematic code paths. It is
> >    a "whack a mole" approach as well. And we would end up
> >    with printk_deferred() used almost everywhere.
> > 
> > 3. Always deffer the console handling in printk(). This would
> >    help also to avoid soft lockups. Several people pushed
> >    against this last few years because it might reduce
> >    the chance to see the message in case of system crash.
> > 
> > As I said, there has finally been agreement to always do
> > the offload few weeks ago. John Ogness is working on it.
> > So we might have the systematic solution for these deadlocks
> > rather sooner than later.
> 
> Another solution is to add the printk_deferred() in these places that
> cause lockdep splats, and when John's work is done, it would be easy to
> grep for them and remove them as they would no longer be needed.
> 
> This way we don't play whack-a-mole forever (only until we have a
> proper solution) and everyone is happy that we no longer have these
> false positive or I-don't-care lockdep splats which hide real lockdep
> splats because lockdep shuts off as soon as it discovers its first
> splat.

I feel like that is what I trying to do, but there seems a lot of resistances
with that approach where pragmatism met with perfectionism.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-08 13:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-04 22:26 [PATCH v2] mm/page_isolation: fix a deadlock with printk() Qian Cai
2019-10-07  8:07 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-07  9:05   ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-07 11:33     ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-07 12:34     ` Qian Cai
     [not found]   ` <FB72D947-A0F9-43E7-80D9-D7ACE33849C7@lca.pw>
2019-10-07 11:37     ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-07 12:11       ` Qian Cai
2019-10-07 12:43         ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-07 13:07           ` Qian Cai
2019-10-07 14:10             ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-07 14:30 ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-07 14:49   ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-08  7:43     ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-08  8:27       ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-08 12:56         ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-10-08 16:08           ` Qian Cai
2019-10-08 18:35             ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-08 19:06               ` Qian Cai
2019-10-08 19:17                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-08 19:35                   ` Qian Cai
2019-10-09 11:49                     ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-09 13:06                       ` Qian Cai
2019-10-09 13:27                         ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-09 13:43                           ` Qian Cai
2019-10-09 13:51                             ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-09 14:19                               ` Qian Cai
2019-10-09 14:34                                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-09 15:08                                   ` Qian Cai
2019-10-09 16:23                                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-10  9:01                                       ` Qian Cai
2019-10-10 10:59                                         ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-10 13:11                                           ` Qian Cai
2019-10-10 14:18                                             ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-10 14:47                                               ` Qian Cai
2019-10-10 17:30                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-10 17:48                                                   ` Qian Cai
2019-10-10 18:06                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-10 18:59                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-10-09 14:24                             ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-09 14:46                               ` Qian Cai
2019-10-10  7:57                                 ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-09 11:39                 ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-09 13:56             ` Peter Oberparleiter
2019-10-09 14:26               ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-10  5:12                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-10-10  7:40                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-10  8:16                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-10-10  8:37                       ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-10  8:21                   ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-10  8:39                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-10-10 11:11                       ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-09 15:25               ` Qian Cai
2019-10-07 14:59   ` Qian Cai
2019-10-07 15:12     ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-07 15:33       ` Qian Cai
2019-10-08  8:15         ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-08  9:32           ` Qian Cai
2019-10-08 13:13           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-08 13:23             ` Qian Cai [this message]
2019-10-08 13:33               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-08 13:42               ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-08 13:48                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-08 14:03                 ` Qian Cai
2019-10-08 14:08                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-08  8:40         ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-08 10:04           ` Qian Cai
2019-10-08 10:39             ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-08 12:00               ` Qian Cai
2019-10-08 12:39                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-08 13:06                   ` Qian Cai
2019-10-08 13:37                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-08 13:08     ` Petr Mladek
2019-10-08 13:33       ` Qian Cai

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