From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263621AbTDWWRP (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:17:15 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263631AbTDWWRP (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:17:15 -0400 Received: from e33.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.131]:20160 "EHLO e33.co.us.ibm.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263621AbTDWWRO (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:17:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:18:50 -0700 From: "Martin J. Bligh" To: Werner Almesberger cc: Matthias Schniedermeyer , Marc Giger , linux-kernel , pat@suwalski.net Subject: Re: [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered. Message-ID: <1570840000.1051136330@flay> In-Reply-To: <20030423191427.D3557@almesberger.net> References: <21660000.1051114998@[10.10.2.4]> <20030423164558.GA12202@citd.de> <1508310000.1051116963@flay> <20030423183413.C1425@almesberger.net> <1560860000.1051133781@flay> <20030423191427.D3557@almesberger.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.2 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org >> I'm more concerned with new installs, and the poor user having no idea >> why his sound card "doesn't work". Been there myself. Pain in the ass. > > Yes, but that's a user space problem too. Nothing prevents your > distribution to crank up the volume to 100% also on a first-time > installation. 100% would be stupid too. If the distro can pick a reasonable value, the kernel can too. Thus the argument "push the problem into userspace" doesn't do anything for me. > The kernel should pick a value that's safe in all cases. And > this is zero. Don't forget that there can be several seconds > between the driver's initialization and the moment when the > user-space utility gets to change the settings. So if people want 0 volume for some reason, they can set *that* in userspace. Windows can manage to do this without cocking it up. I don't see why we can't achieve it. M.