From: "John Stoffel" <stoffel@lucent.com>
To: viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:20:03 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <16045.14483.71226.249705@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030426184106.GN10374@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>
viro> On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 06:22:50PM +0000, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> We've seen this before. Remember when dongles were plentiful in the
>> software world? People literally had problems with having dongles on top
>> of dongles to run a few programs. They all died out, simply because
>> consumers _hate_ that kind of lock-in thing.
viro> Not all of them. And they had spawned similar software turds -
viro> ask any sysadmin who'd dealt with FlexLM and its ilk and you'll
viro> hear a _lot_ of horror stories about the induced inconveniencies
viro> and breakage.
FlexLM is actually a good product in general, it's when it's tied in
by a vendor to a Dongle that is sucks. The real horror show in
license managers is the GLBD (Global Location Broker) crap from
HP/IBM. Thank god FlexLM has mostly killed them off.
John
John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies
stoffel@lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-399-0479
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2003-04-24 3:59 Flame Linus to a crisp! Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 4:40 ` Joel Jaeggli
2003-04-24 4:43 ` Greg KH
2003-04-24 4:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 5:02 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-04-24 5:39 ` viro
2003-04-24 5:56 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-24 8:46 ` Dax Kelson
2003-04-24 9:46 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-04-24 10:54 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-04-25 0:07 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-04-24 4:54 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-04-24 5:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 13:08 ` Shawn
2003-04-24 20:12 ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-04-24 17:32 ` Andreas Boman
2003-04-24 17:41 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-24 19:39 ` Balram Adlakha
2003-04-26 17:05 ` Riley Williams
2003-04-24 5:02 ` Mark J Roberts
2003-04-24 5:13 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-04-24 5:15 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-24 5:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 6:15 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-24 7:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 8:03 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-04-25 1:16 ` Jan Harkes
2003-04-25 1:35 ` Stan Bubrouski
2003-04-24 8:16 ` John Bradford
2003-04-24 8:31 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 8:59 ` John Bradford
2003-04-24 8:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 14:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 15:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-04-24 19:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-24 19:32 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 19:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 20:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 20:35 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 19:39 ` Balram Adlakha
2003-04-24 21:02 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 18:58 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-24 21:08 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:37 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 21:30 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:38 ` John Bradford
2003-04-25 3:20 ` Shawn
2003-04-25 5:47 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-25 7:02 ` John Bradford
2003-04-25 8:05 ` Simple x86 Simulator (was: Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!) Steven Augart
2003-04-25 15:38 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-25 16:10 ` John Bradford
2003-04-25 11:44 ` Antonio Vargas
2003-04-25 8:52 ` Flame Linus to a crisp! Helge Hafting
2003-04-25 14:03 ` Mike Dresser
2003-04-24 21:42 ` Russell King
2003-04-25 6:08 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-04-25 11:46 ` Antonio Vargas
2003-04-24 10:57 ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-04-24 22:51 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-04-24 7:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 8:37 ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-24 8:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 12:52 ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-24 15:37 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 18:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-24 20:46 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 20:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:03 ` Chris Adams
2003-04-24 22:29 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 22:41 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 22:54 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 0:26 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 22:41 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 14:21 ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-27 16:13 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-27 16:59 ` Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Larry McVoy
2003-04-27 17:04 ` Ben Collins
2003-04-27 17:34 ` Michael Buesch
2003-04-27 18:41 ` Henrik Persson
2003-04-27 17:35 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-04-27 17:49 ` Mirar
2003-04-27 23:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-27 17:59 ` Michael Buesch
2003-04-27 21:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-28 1:48 ` rmoser
2003-04-28 9:05 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-04-28 10:44 ` The X-Window System John Bradford
2003-04-28 14:37 ` Herman Oosthuysen
2003-04-28 16:28 ` uaca
2003-05-06 3:55 ` Miles Bader
2003-04-27 18:07 ` Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-27 18:35 ` Chris Adams
2003-04-27 18:50 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-27 19:11 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-04-27 20:13 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2003-04-27 20:34 ` walt
2003-04-27 21:26 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 22:07 ` Ross Vandegrift
2003-04-27 22:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-27 22:05 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 23:28 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 0:06 ` Ross Vandegrift
2003-04-28 11:03 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-29 18:06 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-28 9:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-04-28 14:55 ` Michael Buesch
2003-04-28 20:04 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-28 20:18 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 20:22 ` Chris Adams
2003-04-28 21:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 21:40 ` Roman Zippel
2003-04-28 22:13 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-28 22:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-29 0:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-29 4:07 ` Dax Kelson
2003-04-29 5:08 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-29 16:40 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-29 21:45 ` Helge Hafting
2003-04-30 9:58 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-30 15:06 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-29 5:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-04-29 16:41 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-29 14:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 22:34 ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-27 22:51 ` Matthew Kirkwood
2003-04-27 23:53 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 0:00 ` rmoser
[not found] ` <20030428001001.GP23068@work.bitmover.com>
2003-04-28 0:19 ` rmoser
2003-04-28 0:37 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 0:40 ` rmoser
2003-04-28 11:38 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-04-29 14:21 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-29 14:27 ` Henrik Persson
2003-04-29 19:56 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-29 20:35 ` Henrik Persson
2003-04-30 8:39 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-27 18:47 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-27 18:56 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-27 19:20 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-27 21:30 ` Jon Portnoy
2003-04-27 21:32 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 22:36 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-27 21:56 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 23:08 ` Matthew Kirkwood
2003-04-27 22:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 23:35 ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-27 22:07 ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-28 0:36 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-28 9:57 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-05-06 15:58 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-05-07 14:44 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-05-07 14:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-07 21:40 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-05-07 22:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-08 0:33 ` Kurt Wall
2003-04-28 11:26 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-05-06 15:59 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-04-28 22:50 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-29 14:46 ` Jeffrey Souza
2003-04-29 15:16 ` venom
2003-04-30 9:35 ` Jamie Lokier
[not found] ` <20030427171007$6d24@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-04-27 20:08 ` Why DRM exists Florian Weimer
2003-04-24 19:23 ` Flame Linus to a crisp! Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 19:50 ` Balram Adlakha
2003-04-24 8:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-04-24 9:19 ` Russell King
2003-04-24 11:38 ` Shachar Shemesh
2003-04-24 17:46 ` Shachar Shemesh
2003-04-24 14:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 12:39 ` Mark Mielke
2003-04-24 15:53 ` Elladan
2003-04-24 18:31 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-24 23:15 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 11:28 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-04-27 1:31 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-27 1:59 ` David Wagner
2003-04-25 14:37 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-25 15:17 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-25 17:37 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-26 21:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-26 13:00 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-26 18:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-26 18:41 ` viro
2003-04-26 18:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-28 14:20 ` John Stoffel [this message]
2003-04-26 19:23 ` Michael Buesch
2003-04-28 10:35 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-04-28 12:12 ` Jörn Engel
2003-04-28 14:01 ` Zack Gilburd
2003-04-28 14:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-26 18:21 ` Rik van Riel
2003-04-26 23:34 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-27 3:59 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 20:16 ` Nils Holland
2003-04-25 4:46 ` My take on Trusted Computing and DRM Joseph Pingenot
[not found] <20030424041004$113a@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-04-24 4:53 ` Flame Linus to a crisp! Tony 'Nicoya' Mantler
2003-04-24 12:36 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-24 14:12 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 22:48 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 12:29 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2003-04-25 15:45 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 20:39 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-24 21:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-24 22:45 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-24 23:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-25 9:07 ` Helge Hafting
2003-04-25 13:01 ` David Luyer
2003-04-25 8:13 ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-25 19:12 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-25 20:56 ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-25 21:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:55 Daniel Callahan
2003-04-24 22:10 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-24 22:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-25 12:23 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-25 12:36 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-27 7:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-04-25 12:41 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-25 12:57 Downing, Thomas
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304232012400.19176-100000@home.transmeta.co m>
2003-04-27 10:52 ` Houston, I think we have a problem Mike Galbraith
2003-04-27 14:41 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-27 17:25 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-04-27 17:29 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-27 17:41 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-04-27 17:54 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-04-28 5:17 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-04-28 6:15 ` Jan Harkes
2003-04-28 9:30 Flame Linus to a crisp! Martin_List-Petersen
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