From: "Stephan Müller" <smueller@chronox.de>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
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"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
"Alexander E. Patrakov" <patrakov@gmail.com>,
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"Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
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Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>,
Nicolai Stange <nstange@suse.de>,
"Peter, Matthias" <matthias.peter@bsi.bund.de>,
Marcelo Henrique Cerri <marcelo.cerri@canonical.com>,
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Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v25 10/12] LRNG - add TRNG support
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 20:51:11 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1695782.oZ5Vf4nH9s@positron.chronox.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191120132918.GA2892197@kroah.com>
Am Mittwoch, 20. November 2019, 14:29:18 CET schrieb Greg Kroah-Hartman:
Hi Greg,
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 09:58:35AM +0100, Stephan Müller wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 19. November 2019, 13:41:50 CET schrieb Greg Kroah-Hartman:
> >
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 02:07:40AM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > > > As this would introduce a new device file now, is there a special
> > > > > process that I need to follow or do I need to copy? Which
> > > > > major/minor
> > > > > number should I use?
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking into static const struct memdev devlist[] I see
> > > > >
> > > > > [8] = { "random", 0666, &random_fops, 0 },
> > > > > [9] = { "urandom", 0666, &urandom_fops, 0 },
> > > > >
> > > > > Shall a true_random be added here with [10]?
> > > >
> > > > I am not at all an expert on chardevs, but this sounds generally
> > > > reasonable. gregkh is probably the real authority here.
> > >
> > > [10] is the aio char device node, so you better not try to overlap it or
> > > bad things will happen :(
> >
> > Thanks for your insights.
> >
> > Which device minor number could we use?
>
> Get your own dynamic one by using a misc device if you _REALLY_ want to
> add yet-another-char-node-for-random-data.
>
> But I would have thought that we all realize that this is not the way to
> do things. Let's not have "random", "urandom", and "true_random" be
> something we want to totally confuse userspace with, that way is insane.
>
> Please just make the existing userspace api "just work", don't add to
> the mess.
Thank you, I think we should follow that advise.
With that and considering Alexander's rightful remark we have a challenge. So,
changing the syscall may not be the right way unless we find a way to restrict
the permissions somehow (capability? LSM? None of that seems to be a good
fit).
What about providing a /sys file? I.e. adding a file that:
a) has permissions 440 per default and maybe the ownership of root:root
b) allow user space to perform a chown/chgrp
c) only supports reading of data from user space
But then, how could we provide a common interface for the existing random.c
and the LRNG?
Or should we use a proc file for that? If yes, I guess it should not be a
sysctl, but a "regular" proc file that should allow a chown(2) operation. On
the other hand, is proc the right place to provide a user space interface for
exporting data to user?
Thanks a lot.
Ciao
Stephan
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2019-11-11 18:17 [PATCH v24 00/12] /dev/random - a new approach with full SP800-90B compliance Stephan Müller
2019-11-11 18:18 ` [PATCH v24 01/12] Linux Random Number Generator Stephan Müller
2019-11-11 23:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-12 2:25 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-12 10:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-12 22:30 ` kbuild test robot
2019-11-12 23:15 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-13 0:14 ` kbuild test robot
2019-11-13 0:25 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-24 4:51 ` Sandy Harris
2019-11-24 9:02 ` Stephan Mueller
2019-11-11 18:19 ` [PATCH v24 02/12] LRNG - allocate one SDRNG instance per NUMA node Stephan Müller
2019-11-11 18:20 ` [PATCH v24 03/12] LRNG - /proc interface Stephan Müller
2019-11-11 18:20 ` [PATCH v24 04/12] LRNG - add switchable DRNG support Stephan Müller
2019-11-11 18:21 ` [PATCH v24 05/12] crypto: DRBG - externalize DRBG functions for LRNG Stephan Müller
2019-11-11 18:21 ` [PATCH v24 06/12] LRNG - add SP800-90A DRBG extension Stephan Müller
2019-11-11 18:22 ` [PATCH v24 07/12] LRNG - add kernel crypto API PRNG extension Stephan Müller
2019-11-11 18:23 ` [PATCH v24 08/12] crypto: provide access to a static Jitter RNG state Stephan Müller
2019-11-11 18:23 ` [PATCH v24 09/12] LRNG - add Jitter RNG fast noise source Stephan Müller
2019-11-11 18:24 ` [PATCH v24 10/12] LRNG - add TRNG support Stephan Müller
2019-11-11 18:26 ` [PATCH v24 11/12] LRNG - add SP800-90B compliant health tests Stephan Müller
2019-11-12 19:58 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2019-11-12 23:11 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-13 0:36 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-13 6:02 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2019-11-14 1:46 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-11 18:26 ` [PATCH v24 12/12] LRNG - add interface for gathering of raw entropy Stephan Müller
2019-11-12 20:55 ` kbuild test robot
2019-11-12 23:13 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-12 13:23 ` [PATCH v24 00/12] /dev/random - a new approach with full SP800-90B compliance Florian Weimer
2019-11-12 22:43 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-12 15:33 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-12 23:03 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-12 23:26 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-13 4:24 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-13 4:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-13 12:16 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 9:32 ` [PATCH v25 00/12] /dev/random - a new approach with full SP800-90B Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 9:33 ` [PATCH v25 01/12] Linux Random Number Generator Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 11:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-17 10:30 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 18:13 ` Nicolai Stange
2019-11-17 11:01 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 9:33 ` [PATCH v25 02/12] LRNG - allocate one SDRNG instance per NUMA node Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 9:34 ` [PATCH v25 03/12] LRNG - /proc interface Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 16:39 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-17 12:16 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-19 10:06 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-19 10:55 ` Stephan Mueller
2019-11-19 17:40 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-16 23:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-11-17 11:37 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 9:34 ` [PATCH v25 04/12] LRNG - add switchable DRNG support Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 9:35 ` [PATCH v25 05/12] crypto: DRBG - externalize DRBG functions for LRNG Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 9:35 ` [PATCH v25 06/12] LRNG - add SP800-90A DRBG extension Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 9:35 ` [PATCH v25 07/12] LRNG - add kernel crypto API PRNG extension Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 9:36 ` [PATCH v25 08/12] crypto: provide access to a static Jitter RNG state Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 9:36 ` [PATCH v25 09/12] LRNG - add Jitter RNG fast noise source Stephan Müller
2019-11-20 13:33 ` Neil Horman
2019-11-20 20:07 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-21 14:19 ` Neil Horman
2019-11-21 14:33 ` Stephan Mueller
2019-11-16 9:37 ` [PATCH v25 10/12] LRNG - add TRNG support Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 16:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-17 11:10 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-19 10:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-19 10:46 ` Stephan Mueller
2019-11-19 12:41 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-11-20 8:58 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-20 9:55 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2019-11-20 13:29 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-11-20 19:51 ` Stephan Müller [this message]
2019-11-20 19:57 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2019-11-20 20:32 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-11-21 13:06 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 9:37 ` [PATCH v25 11/12] LRNG - add SP800-90B compliant health tests Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 9:38 ` [PATCH v25 12/12] LRNG - add interface for gathering of raw entropy Stephan Müller
2019-11-16 16:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-17 22:55 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-19 10:04 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-19 17:17 ` Randy Dunlap
2019-11-20 9:01 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-21 12:18 ` Nicolai Stange
2019-11-21 15:18 ` Stephan Müller
2019-11-23 20:08 ` [PATCH v26 00/12] /dev/random - a new approach with full SP800-90B Stephan Müller
2019-11-23 20:10 ` [PATCH v26 01/12] Linux Random Number Generator Stephan Müller
2019-11-24 22:44 ` kbuild test robot
2019-11-25 6:29 ` Stephan Mueller
2019-11-23 20:10 ` [PATCH v26 02/12] LRNG - allocate one SDRNG instance per NUMA node Stephan Müller
2019-11-23 20:11 ` [PATCH v26 03/12] LRNG - sysctls and /proc interface Stephan Müller
2019-11-23 20:11 ` [PATCH v26 04/12] LRNG - add switchable DRNG support Stephan Müller
2019-11-23 20:31 ` [PATCH v26 05/12] crypto: DRBG - externalize DRBG functions for LRNG Stephan Müller
2019-11-23 20:32 ` [PATCH v26 06/12] LRNG - add SP800-90A DRBG extension Stephan Müller
2019-11-23 20:32 ` [PATCH v26 07/12] LRNG - add kernel crypto API PRNG extension Stephan Müller
2019-11-23 20:33 ` [PATCH v26 08/12] crypto: provide access to a static Jitter RNG state Stephan Müller
2019-11-23 20:34 ` [PATCH v26 09/12] LRNG - add Jitter RNG fast noise source Stephan Müller
2019-11-23 20:34 ` [PATCH v26 10/12] LRNG - add TRNG support Stephan Müller
2019-11-23 20:34 ` [PATCH v26 11/12] LRNG - add SP800-90B compliant health tests Stephan Müller
2019-11-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v26 12/12] LRNG - add interface for gathering of raw entropy Stephan Müller
2020-01-09 8:29 ` [PATCH v27 00/12] /dev/random - a new approach with full SP800-90B Stephan Müller
2020-01-09 8:30 ` [PATCH v27 01/12] Linux Random Number Generator Stephan Müller
2020-01-16 6:09 ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-16 6:41 ` Stephan Mueller
2020-01-09 8:31 ` [PATCH v27 02/12] LRNG - allocate one DRNG instance per NUMA node Stephan Müller
2020-01-09 8:31 ` [PATCH v27 03/12] LRNG - sysctls and /proc interface Stephan Müller
2020-01-09 8:32 ` [PATCH v27 04/12] LRNG - add switchable DRNG support Stephan Müller
2020-01-11 7:09 ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-12 10:12 ` Stephan Müller
2020-01-09 8:32 ` [PATCH v27 05/12] crypto: DRBG - externalize DRBG functions for LRNG Stephan Müller
2020-01-09 8:32 ` [PATCH v27 06/12] LRNG - add SP800-90A DRBG extension Stephan Müller
2020-01-09 8:33 ` [PATCH v27 07/12] LRNG - add kernel crypto API PRNG extension Stephan Müller
2020-01-09 8:33 ` [PATCH v27 08/12] crypto: provide access to a static Jitter RNG state Stephan Müller
2020-01-09 8:34 ` [PATCH v27 09/12] LRNG - add Jitter RNG fast noise source Stephan Müller
2020-01-10 0:24 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-10 7:45 ` Stephan Mueller
2020-01-09 8:34 ` [PATCH v27 10/12] LRNG - add SP800-90B compliant health tests Stephan Müller
2020-01-10 0:20 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-10 8:27 ` Stephan Mueller
2020-01-09 8:35 ` [PATCH v27 11/12] LRNG - add interface for gathering of raw entropy Stephan Müller
2020-01-09 8:35 ` [PATCH v27 12/12] LRNG - add power-on and runtime self-tests Stephan Müller
2020-01-10 0:22 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-10 7:48 ` Stephan Mueller
2020-01-13 10:39 ` Dan Carpenter
2020-01-13 10:46 ` Stephan Mueller
2020-01-15 10:31 ` [PATCH v28 00/12] /dev/random - a new approach with full SP800-90B Stephan Müller
2020-01-15 10:31 ` [PATCH v28 01/12] Linux Random Number Generator Stephan Müller
2020-01-16 0:11 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-16 7:22 ` Stephan Mueller
2020-01-15 10:32 ` [PATCH v28 02/12] LRNG - allocate one DRNG instance per NUMA node Stephan Müller
2020-01-15 10:32 ` [PATCH v28 03/12] LRNG - sysctls and /proc interface Stephan Müller
2020-01-15 10:32 ` [PATCH v28 04/12] LRNG - add switchable DRNG support Stephan Müller
2020-01-15 10:33 ` [PATCH v28 05/12] crypto: DRBG - externalize DRBG functions for LRNG Stephan Müller
2020-01-15 10:33 ` [PATCH v28 06/12] LRNG - add SP800-90A DRBG extension Stephan Müller
2020-01-16 0:14 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-16 6:55 ` Stephan Mueller
2020-01-15 10:34 ` [PATCH v28 07/12] LRNG - add kernel crypto API PRNG extension Stephan Müller
2020-01-16 0:15 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-16 6:54 ` Stephan Mueller
2020-01-15 10:34 ` [PATCH v28 08/12] crypto: provide access to a static Jitter RNG state Stephan Müller
2020-01-15 10:34 ` [PATCH v28 09/12] LRNG - add Jitter RNG fast noise source Stephan Müller
2020-01-16 0:17 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-16 6:51 ` Stephan Mueller
2020-01-15 10:35 ` [PATCH v28 10/12] LRNG - add SP800-90B compliant health tests Stephan Müller
2020-01-15 10:35 ` [PATCH v28 11/12] LRNG - add interface for gathering of raw entropy Stephan Müller
2020-01-16 0:18 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-16 6:43 ` Stephan Mueller
2020-01-16 6:48 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-16 6:52 ` Stephan Mueller
2020-01-15 10:36 ` [PATCH v28 12/12] LRNG - add power-on and runtime self-tests Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:12 ` [PATCH v29 00/12] /dev/random - a new approach with full SP800-90B Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:13 ` [PATCH v29 01/12] Linux Random Number Generator Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:13 ` [PATCH v29 02/12] LRNG - allocate one DRNG instance per NUMA node Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:14 ` [PATCH v29 03/12] LRNG - sysctls and /proc interface Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:14 ` [PATCH v29 04/12] LRNG - add switchable DRNG support Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:15 ` [PATCH v29 05/12] crypto: DRBG - externalize DRBG functions for LRNG Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:16 ` [PATCH v29 06/12] LRNG - add SP800-90A DRBG extension Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:16 ` [PATCH v29 07/12] LRNG - add kernel crypto API PRNG extension Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:17 ` [PATCH v29 08/12] crypto: provide access to a static Jitter RNG state Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:18 ` [PATCH v29 09/12] LRNG - add Jitter RNG fast noise source Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:18 ` [PATCH v29 10/12] LRNG - add SP800-90B compliant health tests Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:19 ` [PATCH v29 11/12] LRNG - add interface for gathering of raw entropy Stephan Müller
2020-01-19 21:20 ` [PATCH v29 12/12] LRNG - add power-on and runtime self-tests Stephan Müller
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