From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932097AbVISLjo (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Sep 2005 07:39:44 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932125AbVISLjo (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Sep 2005 07:39:44 -0400 Received: from moraine.clusterfs.com ([66.96.26.190]:30359 "EHLO moraine.clusterfs.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932097AbVISLjm (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Sep 2005 07:39:42 -0400 From: Nikita Danilov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17198.38220.257000.445906@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:39:08 +0400 To: Hans Reiser Cc: thenewme91@gmail.com, Christoph Hellwig , Denis Vlasenko , chriswhite@gentoo.org, LKML , ReiserFS List Subject: Re: I request inclusion of reiser4 in the mainline kernel Newsgroups: gmane.comp.file-systems.reiserfs.general,gmane.linux.kernel In-Reply-To: <432E5024.20709@namesys.com> References: <200509182004.j8IK4JNx012764@inti.inf.utfsm.cl> <432E5024.20709@namesys.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (patch 17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hans Reiser writes: [...] > Well maybe he should just go away then and save his and our time. > Reiser4 works just fine without Christoph. Users are happy with it. > None of them have asked for his help. I don't consider Christoph to be > qualified to work on our filesystem. I would not hire him if he applied > --- he is not capable of innovative work. Hans, it seems you misunderstand what is going on. Necessary prerequisite for reiser4 inclusion is a review by file system people. Christoph is doing this _work_. You know what it is to review somebody else code? It's a hard work. He is doing it for free. If he goes away---reiser4 wouldn't somehow magically be immediately included into kernel. It'll wait for review---for the next person to come and to do this work. And that person will most likely point to the very same things that hch does now only after a delay. Maybe with slightly more polished style (hair style included) though. :-) So, please be a little more patient. > > Reiser4 is far from perfect, but it is ready for more users. This is not what is being discussed, stop red-herring, please. [...] > > > Yes, which is why people who have not written a serious filesystem > should not instruct those who have written the measurably fastest one. Somebody has to review reiser4 code. If you can persuade somebody else to do the review, do this. [...] > > V4, as it is today, is as much superior to V3 as OS/2 was to DOS. Any One way in which half-OS was superior to DOS was how spectacularly the former project failed after a lot of hype. :-) > distro or user who would stay with V3 for new installs once we have > passed mass testing is nuts. We need the mass testing. > > Hans > Nikita.