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From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	ak@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Out of tree module using LSM
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:44:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17957.1196624688@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:43:32 GMT." <20071201084332.GB4446@ucw.cz>

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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:43:32 GMT, Pavel Machek said:

> So what you are trying to do is 'application may never read bad
> sequence of bits from disk', right?

No, in many of the use cases, we're trying to do "if application reads certain
specified sequences of bits from disk we know about it", which is subtly
different.  Often, *absolute* prevention isn't required, as long as we can
generate audit trails and/or alerts...

> Now, how do you propose to solve mmap(MAP_SHARED)? The app on the other cpu may
> see the bad bits before kernel has chance to see them.

For many usage cases (such as virus scanners), mmap() isn't really an issue,
because if another process is *already* trying to mmap() the file before it's
even finished downloading from the network interface, you have other problems.
In that case, what you *really* want to be hooking is read() from a network
socket, not a disk file - and I don't think you can mmap() a socket anyhow,
right?

Similarly, if you're using these exit points to do *indexing*, you really don't
care if it got mmap()'ed - at worst, it isn't indexed until the other CPU gets
around to it.



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  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-02 19:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-28 12:42 Out of tree module using LSM Tvrtko A. Ursulin
2007-11-28 14:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-28 16:38   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-11-28 16:46     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-28 17:39       ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-28 18:22         ` tvrtko.ursulin
2007-11-28 19:50           ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 16:12             ` tvrtko.ursulin
2007-11-29  0:12           ` James Morris
2007-11-29 16:27             ` Jon Masters
2007-11-29 16:51               ` Greg KH
2007-11-29 16:51               ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-29 16:52               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-29  0:51           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-29  1:45             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-11-28 18:15       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-11-28 18:30         ` Al Viro
2007-11-29  0:38           ` Greg KH
2007-11-29  0:53             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-29  1:07               ` Greg KH
2007-11-29 16:36                 ` Jon Masters
2007-11-29 16:47                   ` Greg KH
2007-11-29 16:53                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-29 16:57                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-29 17:27                         ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 22:58                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-08 10:50                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-11-29 17:03                       ` Greg KH
2007-11-29 17:35                         ` Ray Lee
2007-11-29 17:45                           ` Greg KH
2007-11-29 18:03                             ` Ray Lee
2007-11-29 18:19                               ` Justin Banks
2007-11-29 18:38                                 ` Jon Masters
2007-11-29 17:51                           ` Al Viro
2007-11-29 17:05                     ` Jon Masters
2007-11-29 17:14                       ` Greg KH
2007-11-29 16:26           ` tvrtko.ursulin
2007-11-29 17:36             ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 18:40               ` Ray Lee
2007-11-29 18:56                 ` Jon Masters
2007-11-29 19:11                   ` Ray Lee
2007-11-29 19:45                     ` Jon Masters
2007-11-29 20:56                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-11-29 22:08                         ` Al Viro
2007-11-30  0:50                           ` James Morris
2007-11-29 23:31                         ` Jon Masters
2007-11-29 21:45                       ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 22:12                         ` Justin Banks
2007-11-30  1:48                           ` Al Viro
2007-11-30 15:37                             ` Justin Banks
2007-11-29 23:34                         ` Jon Masters
2007-11-30  6:20                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-11-30 13:30                             ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 21:09               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-28 19:20 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-28 19:52   ` Alan Cox
2007-11-28 20:05     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-11-29 16:39   ` tvrtko.ursulin
2007-12-01  8:43     ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-02 19:44       ` Valdis.Kletnieks [this message]
2007-12-02 20:02         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-02 20:06         ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-02 20:22         ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-02 21:09           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-12-02 21:56             ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-02 23:15               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-02 23:23                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-11-29  0:58 ` Greg KH
2007-11-30 20:52 Crispin Cowan
2007-11-30 21:36 ` James Morris
2007-11-30 23:52   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-12-01  0:05     ` James Morris
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2007-12-03 22:45             ` Bodo Eggert

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