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From: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>,
	Pekka J Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Back to the future.
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:50:56 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17970.39536.345559.867146@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704271647340.9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>

Linus Torvalds writes:

> I really don't see how you can say that stopping threads etc can make any 
> difference what-so-ever. If you don't create the snapshot with interrupts 
> disabled (and just with a single CPU running) you have so many other 
> problems that it's not even remotely funny.

I agree.  I don't like the freezer.  We have had working
kernel-controlled suspend to RAM on powerbooks for almost 10 years
now, and we never needed to freeze processes.

That said, I can see two attractions in freezing processes:

1. It provides a way to stop new I/O requests coming in, and thus
   somewhat makes up for the lack of a way to freeze device request
   queues (at least, we didn't have one last time I looked).

2. Systems do sometimes die while suspended (e.g. run out of battery,
   or the resume process fails), and to make the next boot painless,
   you want the filesystems on disk to be as clean as possible.
   Freezing processes and then doing a sync provides one way to
   achieve that.  Of course, you have to make sure you don't freeze
   any kernel threads that are needed for doing the sync...  And if
   one of your filesystems is using FUSE, it's not going to get very
   far.

Paul.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-28  0:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-26  6:04 Back to the future Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26  7:28 ` Pekka Enberg
     [not found]   ` <1177573348.50 25.224.camel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-04-26  7:42   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26  8:17     ` Pekka Enberg
2007-04-26  9:28       ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26 17:29         ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-26 16:56     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 17:03       ` Xavier Bestel
2007-04-26 17:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 20:08           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26 20:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 20:50               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-27  0:10                 ` Olivier Galibert
2007-04-27 10:21                   ` Daniel Pittman
2007-04-27 23:19                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26 21:38             ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-27 10:10               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 22:08             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-26 22:20               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26 23:15               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27  7:51           ` Pekka Enberg
2007-04-26 17:07       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 18:22       ` Chase Venters
2007-04-26 18:50         ` David Lang
2007-04-26 19:56       ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-27  4:52         ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-04-27  6:08           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-27  6:18             ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-04-27  6:29               ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-04-27  6:34               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-27  6:50                 ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-04-27  7:03                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-27  7:24                     ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-04-27  9:50               ` Oliver Neukum
2007-04-27 10:12                 ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-04-27 19:07                   ` Oliver Neukum
2007-04-28  9:22                     ` Pekka Enberg
2007-04-28 13:37                       ` Oliver Neukum
2007-05-03 12:06                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-04 21:52                           ` Indan Zupancic
2007-05-05  9:16                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-05 12:02                               ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-28 10:35                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-28 18:43                     ` David Lang
2007-04-28 19:37                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 21:24               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 21:44                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 22:04                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 22:08                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 22:41                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 22:26                         ` David Lang
2007-04-27 23:21                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 23:01                             ` David Lang
2007-04-28  0:02                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 23:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 23:45                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 23:57                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-27 23:50                               ` David Lang
2007-04-28  0:40                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28  6:58                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-04-28  9:16                                   ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-04-28 18:28                                   ` David Lang
2007-05-03 17:18                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-07  2:13                                   ` David Lang
2007-05-07  3:33                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-07 12:48                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-07 12:52                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2007-05-07 14:37                                         ` david
2007-05-07 19:51                                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-07 19:55                                             ` david
2007-05-07 20:38                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-08 17:36                                                 ` Disconnect
2007-04-27 23:59                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28  0:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-05 11:42                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-28  0:50                               ` Paul Mackerras [this message]
2007-04-28  1:00                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-28  1:12                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28  0:54                                   ` David Lang
2007-04-28  1:44                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-28  2:51                                     ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-04-28  7:00                                       ` progress meter in s2disk (was Re: Back to the future.) Pavel Machek
2007-04-28  8:50                                     ` Back to the future Pavel Machek
2007-04-28  9:24                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-28 16:28                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28 17:50                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-28 21:25                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28 23:03                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-28 23:45                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  0:01                                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-29  5:01                                                   ` Bojan Smojver
2007-04-29  3:43                                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-29  8:57                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29  8:59                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-29  9:32                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29  8:23                                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-29  9:22                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-28 18:32                                       ` David Lang
2007-04-28 19:14                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-28 18:44                                           ` David Lang
2007-05-03 15:25                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-27 22:07                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-28  1:03                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-28  1:15                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-28  0:51                         ` David Lang
2007-04-28  1:25                         ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-03 15:10                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-03 16:53                         ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-04  7:52                           ` David Greaves
2007-05-04 13:27                             ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-28  0:18                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-28  1:00                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-04-28  1:05                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-03 15:14                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-01 19:00                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-28  1:08                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 20:44           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-28 19:09         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 22:40       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-27  5:41         ` Pekka Enberg
2007-04-27 14:55           ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-27 21:39             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26 22:42       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26 22:24         ` David Lang
2007-04-26 23:12           ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26 22:49             ` David Lang
2007-04-26 23:27               ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26 22:56                 ` David Lang
2007-04-27  0:23               ` Olivier Galibert
2007-04-27 12:49       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-27 21:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 22:12           ` David Lang
2007-04-26  8:38 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26  9:33   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-28  0:28 ` Bojan Smojver
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2007-04-28 11:04             ` Bodo Eggert

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