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* [PATCH v6] platform/x86: intel_pmc_core: export platform global reset bits via etr3 sysfs file
@ 2021-04-11 14:15 Tomas Winkler
  2021-04-13  7:27 ` Hans de Goede
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 2+ messages in thread
From: Tomas Winkler @ 2021-04-11 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rajneesh Bhardwaj, David E Box, Hans de Goede, Mark Gross
  Cc: platform-driver-x86, linux-kernel, Tamar Mashiah,
	Andy Shevchenko, Tomas Winkler

From: Tamar Mashiah <tamar.mashiah@intel.com>

During PCH (platform/board) manufacturing process a global platform
reset has to be induced in order for the configuration changes take
the effect upon following platform reset. This is an internal platform
state and is not intended to be used in the regular platform resets.
The setting is exposed via ETR3 (Extended Test Mode Register 3).
After the manufacturing process is completed the register cannot be
written anymore and is hardware locked.
This setting was commonly done by accessing PMC registers via /dev/mem
but due to security concerns /dev/mem access is much more restricted,
hence the reason for exposing this setting via the dedicated sysfs
interface.
To prevent post manufacturing abuse the register is protected
by hardware locking and the file is set to read-only mode via is_visible
handler.

The register in MMIO space is defined for Cannon Lake and newer PCHs.

Cc: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
Cc: David E Box <david.e.box@intel.com>
Reviewed-by: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
Signed-off-by: Tamar Mashiah <tamar.mashiah@intel.com>
Signed-off-by: Tomas Winkler <tomas.winkler@intel.com>
---
V2:
1. Add locking for reading the ET3 register  (Andy)
2. Fix few style issues (Andy)
V3:
1. Resend
v4:
1. Fix return statement (Andy)
2. Specify manufacturing process (Enrico)
V5:
1. Rename sysfs file to etr3 (Hans)
2. Make file read only when register is locked (Hans)
3. Add more info to sysfs ABI documentation
V5:
1. Parentheses around arithmetic in operand of '|' [-Wparentheses] (lkp)
   656 |  return reg & ETR3_CF9LOCK ? attr->mode & SYSFS_PREALLOC | 0444 : attr->mode

 .../ABI/testing/sysfs-platform-intel-pmc      |  20 ++++
 MAINTAINERS                                   |   1 +
 drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.c         | 113 ++++++++++++++++++
 drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.h         |   6 +
 4 files changed, 140 insertions(+)
 create mode 100644 Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-platform-intel-pmc

diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-platform-intel-pmc b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-platform-intel-pmc
new file mode 100644
index 000000000000..ef199af75ab0
--- /dev/null
+++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-platform-intel-pmc
@@ -0,0 +1,20 @@
+What:		/sys/devices/platform/<platform>/etr3
+Date:		Apr 2021
+KernelVersion:	5.13
+Contact:	"Tomas Winkler" <tomas.winkler@intel.com>
+Description:
+		The file exposes "Extended Test Mode Register 3" global
+		reset bits. The bits are used during an Intel platform
+		manufacturing process to indicate that consequent reset
+		of the platform is a "global reset". This type of reset
+		is required in order for manufacturing configurations
+		to take effect.
+
+		Display global reset setting bits for PMC.
+			* bit 31 - global reset is locked
+			* bit 20 - global reset is set
+		Writing bit 20 value to the etr3 will induce
+		a platform "global reset" upon consequent platform reset,
+		in case the register is not locked.
+		The "global reset bit" should be locked on a production
+		system and the file is in read-only mode.
diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
index 7dd6b67f0f51..3e898660b5b4 100644
--- a/MAINTAINERS
+++ b/MAINTAINERS
@@ -9145,6 +9145,7 @@ M:	Rajneesh Bhardwaj <irenic.rajneesh@gmail.com>
 M:	David E Box <david.e.box@intel.com>
 L:	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org
 S:	Maintained
+F:	Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-platform-intel-pmc
 F:	drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core*
 
 INTEL PMIC GPIO DRIVERS
diff --git a/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.c b/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.c
index b5888aeb4bcf..8fb4e6d1d68d 100644
--- a/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.c
+++ b/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.c
@@ -401,6 +401,7 @@ static const struct pmc_reg_map cnp_reg_map = {
 	.pm_cfg_offset = CNP_PMC_PM_CFG_OFFSET,
 	.pm_read_disable_bit = CNP_PMC_READ_DISABLE_BIT,
 	.ltr_ignore_max = CNP_NUM_IP_IGN_ALLOWED,
+	.etr3_offset = ETR3_OFFSET,
 };
 
 static const struct pmc_reg_map icl_reg_map = {
@@ -418,6 +419,7 @@ static const struct pmc_reg_map icl_reg_map = {
 	.pm_cfg_offset = CNP_PMC_PM_CFG_OFFSET,
 	.pm_read_disable_bit = CNP_PMC_READ_DISABLE_BIT,
 	.ltr_ignore_max = ICL_NUM_IP_IGN_ALLOWED,
+	.etr3_offset = ETR3_OFFSET,
 };
 
 static const struct pmc_bit_map tgl_clocksource_status_map[] = {
@@ -585,6 +587,7 @@ static const struct pmc_reg_map tgl_reg_map = {
 	.lpm_sts = tgl_lpm_maps,
 	.lpm_status_offset = TGL_LPM_STATUS_OFFSET,
 	.lpm_live_status_offset = TGL_LPM_LIVE_STATUS_OFFSET,
+	.etr3_offset = ETR3_OFFSET,
 };
 
 static inline u32 pmc_core_reg_read(struct pmc_dev *pmcdev, int reg_offset)
@@ -603,6 +606,115 @@ static inline u64 pmc_core_adjust_slp_s0_step(struct pmc_dev *pmcdev, u32 value)
 	return (u64)value * pmcdev->map->slp_s0_res_counter_step;
 }
 
+static int set_etr3(struct pmc_dev *pmcdev)
+{
+	const struct pmc_reg_map *map = pmcdev->map;
+	u32 reg;
+	int err;
+
+	if (!map->etr3_offset)
+		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
+
+	mutex_lock(&pmcdev->lock);
+
+	/* check if CF9 is locked */
+	reg = pmc_core_reg_read(pmcdev, map->etr3_offset);
+	if (reg & ETR3_CF9LOCK) {
+		err = -EACCES;
+		goto out_unlock;
+	}
+
+	/* write CF9 global reset bit */
+	reg |= ETR3_CF9GR;
+	pmc_core_reg_write(pmcdev, map->etr3_offset, reg);
+
+	reg = pmc_core_reg_read(pmcdev, map->etr3_offset);
+	if (!(reg & ETR3_CF9GR)) {
+		err = -EIO;
+		goto out_unlock;
+	}
+
+	err = 0;
+
+out_unlock:
+	mutex_unlock(&pmcdev->lock);
+	return err;
+}
+static umode_t etr3_is_visible(struct kobject *kobj,
+				struct attribute *attr,
+				int idx)
+{
+	struct device *dev = container_of(kobj, struct device, kobj);
+	struct pmc_dev *pmcdev = dev_get_drvdata(dev);
+	const struct pmc_reg_map *map = pmcdev->map;
+	u32 reg;
+
+	mutex_lock(&pmcdev->lock);
+	reg = pmc_core_reg_read(pmcdev, map->etr3_offset);
+	mutex_unlock(&pmcdev->lock);
+
+	return reg & ETR3_CF9LOCK ? attr->mode & (SYSFS_PREALLOC | 0444) : attr->mode;
+}
+
+static ssize_t etr3_show(struct device *dev,
+				 struct device_attribute *attr, char *buf)
+{
+	struct pmc_dev *pmcdev = dev_get_drvdata(dev);
+	const struct pmc_reg_map *map = pmcdev->map;
+	u32 reg;
+
+	if (!map->etr3_offset)
+		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
+
+	mutex_lock(&pmcdev->lock);
+
+	reg = pmc_core_reg_read(pmcdev, map->etr3_offset);
+	reg &= ETR3_CF9GR | ETR3_CF9LOCK;
+
+	mutex_unlock(&pmcdev->lock);
+
+	return sysfs_emit(buf, "0x%08x", reg);
+}
+
+static ssize_t etr3_store(struct device *dev,
+				  struct device_attribute *attr,
+				  const char *buf, size_t len)
+{
+	struct pmc_dev *pmcdev = dev_get_drvdata(dev);
+	int err;
+	u32 reg;
+
+	err = kstrtouint(buf, 16, &reg);
+	if (err)
+		return err;
+
+	/* allow only CF9 writes */
+	if (reg != ETR3_CF9GR)
+		return -EINVAL;
+
+	err = set_etr3(pmcdev);
+	if (err)
+		return err;
+
+	return len;
+}
+static DEVICE_ATTR_RW(etr3);
+
+static struct attribute *pmc_attrs[] = {
+	&dev_attr_etr3.attr,
+	NULL
+};
+
+static const struct attribute_group pmc_attr_group = {
+	.attrs = pmc_attrs,
+	.is_visible = etr3_is_visible,
+};
+
+static const struct attribute_group *pmc_dev_groups[] = {
+	&pmc_attr_group,
+	NULL
+};
+
 static int pmc_core_dev_state_get(void *data, u64 *val)
 {
 	struct pmc_dev *pmcdev = data;
@@ -1384,6 +1496,7 @@ static struct platform_driver pmc_core_driver = {
 		.name = "intel_pmc_core",
 		.acpi_match_table = ACPI_PTR(pmc_core_acpi_ids),
 		.pm = &pmc_core_pm_ops,
+		.dev_groups = pmc_dev_groups,
 	},
 	.probe = pmc_core_probe,
 	.remove = pmc_core_remove,
diff --git a/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.h b/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.h
index f33cd2c34835..98ebdfe57138 100644
--- a/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.h
+++ b/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.h
@@ -200,6 +200,11 @@ enum ppfear_regs {
 #define TGL_LPM_STATUS_OFFSET			0x1C3C
 #define TGL_LPM_LIVE_STATUS_OFFSET		0x1C5C
 
+/* Extended Test Mode Register 3 (CNL and later) */
+#define ETR3_OFFSET				0x1048
+#define ETR3_CF9GR				BIT(20)
+#define ETR3_CF9LOCK				BIT(31)
+
 const char *tgl_lpm_modes[] = {
 	"S0i2.0",
 	"S0i2.1",
@@ -263,6 +268,7 @@ struct pmc_reg_map {
 	const u32 lpm_residency_offset;
 	const u32 lpm_status_offset;
 	const u32 lpm_live_status_offset;
+	const u32 etr3_offset;
 };
 
 /**
-- 
2.26.3


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* Re: [PATCH v6] platform/x86: intel_pmc_core: export platform global reset bits via etr3 sysfs file
  2021-04-11 14:15 [PATCH v6] platform/x86: intel_pmc_core: export platform global reset bits via etr3 sysfs file Tomas Winkler
@ 2021-04-13  7:27 ` Hans de Goede
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 2+ messages in thread
From: Hans de Goede @ 2021-04-13  7:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tomas Winkler, Rajneesh Bhardwaj, David E Box, Mark Gross
  Cc: platform-driver-x86, linux-kernel, Tamar Mashiah, Andy Shevchenko

Hi,

On 4/11/21 4:15 PM, Tomas Winkler wrote:
> From: Tamar Mashiah <tamar.mashiah@intel.com>
> 
> During PCH (platform/board) manufacturing process a global platform
> reset has to be induced in order for the configuration changes take
> the effect upon following platform reset. This is an internal platform
> state and is not intended to be used in the regular platform resets.
> The setting is exposed via ETR3 (Extended Test Mode Register 3).
> After the manufacturing process is completed the register cannot be
> written anymore and is hardware locked.
> This setting was commonly done by accessing PMC registers via /dev/mem
> but due to security concerns /dev/mem access is much more restricted,
> hence the reason for exposing this setting via the dedicated sysfs
> interface.
> To prevent post manufacturing abuse the register is protected
> by hardware locking and the file is set to read-only mode via is_visible
> handler.
> 
> The register in MMIO space is defined for Cannon Lake and newer PCHs.
> 
> Cc: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
> Cc: David E Box <david.e.box@intel.com>
> Reviewed-by: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
> Signed-off-by: Tamar Mashiah <tamar.mashiah@intel.com>
> Signed-off-by: Tomas Winkler <tomas.winkler@intel.com>

Thank you for your patch, I've applied this patch to my review-hans 
branch:
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pdx86/platform-drivers-x86.git/log/?h=review-hans

Note it will show up in my review-hans branch once I've pushed my
local branch there, which might take a while.

Once I've run some tests on this branch the patches there will be
added to the platform-drivers-x86/for-next branch and eventually
will be included in the pdx86 pull-request to Linus for the next
merge-window.

Regards,

Hans




> ---
> V2:
> 1. Add locking for reading the ET3 register  (Andy)
> 2. Fix few style issues (Andy)
> V3:
> 1. Resend
> v4:
> 1. Fix return statement (Andy)
> 2. Specify manufacturing process (Enrico)
> V5:
> 1. Rename sysfs file to etr3 (Hans)
> 2. Make file read only when register is locked (Hans)
> 3. Add more info to sysfs ABI documentation
> V5:
> 1. Parentheses around arithmetic in operand of '|' [-Wparentheses] (lkp)
>    656 |  return reg & ETR3_CF9LOCK ? attr->mode & SYSFS_PREALLOC | 0444 : attr->mode
> 
>  .../ABI/testing/sysfs-platform-intel-pmc      |  20 ++++
>  MAINTAINERS                                   |   1 +
>  drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.c         | 113 ++++++++++++++++++
>  drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.h         |   6 +
>  4 files changed, 140 insertions(+)
>  create mode 100644 Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-platform-intel-pmc
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-platform-intel-pmc b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-platform-intel-pmc
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..ef199af75ab0
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-platform-intel-pmc
> @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@
> +What:		/sys/devices/platform/<platform>/etr3
> +Date:		Apr 2021
> +KernelVersion:	5.13
> +Contact:	"Tomas Winkler" <tomas.winkler@intel.com>
> +Description:
> +		The file exposes "Extended Test Mode Register 3" global
> +		reset bits. The bits are used during an Intel platform
> +		manufacturing process to indicate that consequent reset
> +		of the platform is a "global reset". This type of reset
> +		is required in order for manufacturing configurations
> +		to take effect.
> +
> +		Display global reset setting bits for PMC.
> +			* bit 31 - global reset is locked
> +			* bit 20 - global reset is set
> +		Writing bit 20 value to the etr3 will induce
> +		a platform "global reset" upon consequent platform reset,
> +		in case the register is not locked.
> +		The "global reset bit" should be locked on a production
> +		system and the file is in read-only mode.
> diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> index 7dd6b67f0f51..3e898660b5b4 100644
> --- a/MAINTAINERS
> +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> @@ -9145,6 +9145,7 @@ M:	Rajneesh Bhardwaj <irenic.rajneesh@gmail.com>
>  M:	David E Box <david.e.box@intel.com>
>  L:	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org
>  S:	Maintained
> +F:	Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-platform-intel-pmc
>  F:	drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core*
>  
>  INTEL PMIC GPIO DRIVERS
> diff --git a/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.c b/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.c
> index b5888aeb4bcf..8fb4e6d1d68d 100644
> --- a/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.c
> +++ b/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.c
> @@ -401,6 +401,7 @@ static const struct pmc_reg_map cnp_reg_map = {
>  	.pm_cfg_offset = CNP_PMC_PM_CFG_OFFSET,
>  	.pm_read_disable_bit = CNP_PMC_READ_DISABLE_BIT,
>  	.ltr_ignore_max = CNP_NUM_IP_IGN_ALLOWED,
> +	.etr3_offset = ETR3_OFFSET,
>  };
>  
>  static const struct pmc_reg_map icl_reg_map = {
> @@ -418,6 +419,7 @@ static const struct pmc_reg_map icl_reg_map = {
>  	.pm_cfg_offset = CNP_PMC_PM_CFG_OFFSET,
>  	.pm_read_disable_bit = CNP_PMC_READ_DISABLE_BIT,
>  	.ltr_ignore_max = ICL_NUM_IP_IGN_ALLOWED,
> +	.etr3_offset = ETR3_OFFSET,
>  };
>  
>  static const struct pmc_bit_map tgl_clocksource_status_map[] = {
> @@ -585,6 +587,7 @@ static const struct pmc_reg_map tgl_reg_map = {
>  	.lpm_sts = tgl_lpm_maps,
>  	.lpm_status_offset = TGL_LPM_STATUS_OFFSET,
>  	.lpm_live_status_offset = TGL_LPM_LIVE_STATUS_OFFSET,
> +	.etr3_offset = ETR3_OFFSET,
>  };
>  
>  static inline u32 pmc_core_reg_read(struct pmc_dev *pmcdev, int reg_offset)
> @@ -603,6 +606,115 @@ static inline u64 pmc_core_adjust_slp_s0_step(struct pmc_dev *pmcdev, u32 value)
>  	return (u64)value * pmcdev->map->slp_s0_res_counter_step;
>  }
>  
> +static int set_etr3(struct pmc_dev *pmcdev)
> +{
> +	const struct pmc_reg_map *map = pmcdev->map;
> +	u32 reg;
> +	int err;
> +
> +	if (!map->etr3_offset)
> +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> +
> +	mutex_lock(&pmcdev->lock);
> +
> +	/* check if CF9 is locked */
> +	reg = pmc_core_reg_read(pmcdev, map->etr3_offset);
> +	if (reg & ETR3_CF9LOCK) {
> +		err = -EACCES;
> +		goto out_unlock;
> +	}
> +
> +	/* write CF9 global reset bit */
> +	reg |= ETR3_CF9GR;
> +	pmc_core_reg_write(pmcdev, map->etr3_offset, reg);
> +
> +	reg = pmc_core_reg_read(pmcdev, map->etr3_offset);
> +	if (!(reg & ETR3_CF9GR)) {
> +		err = -EIO;
> +		goto out_unlock;
> +	}
> +
> +	err = 0;
> +
> +out_unlock:
> +	mutex_unlock(&pmcdev->lock);
> +	return err;
> +}
> +static umode_t etr3_is_visible(struct kobject *kobj,
> +				struct attribute *attr,
> +				int idx)
> +{
> +	struct device *dev = container_of(kobj, struct device, kobj);
> +	struct pmc_dev *pmcdev = dev_get_drvdata(dev);
> +	const struct pmc_reg_map *map = pmcdev->map;
> +	u32 reg;
> +
> +	mutex_lock(&pmcdev->lock);
> +	reg = pmc_core_reg_read(pmcdev, map->etr3_offset);
> +	mutex_unlock(&pmcdev->lock);
> +
> +	return reg & ETR3_CF9LOCK ? attr->mode & (SYSFS_PREALLOC | 0444) : attr->mode;
> +}
> +
> +static ssize_t etr3_show(struct device *dev,
> +				 struct device_attribute *attr, char *buf)
> +{
> +	struct pmc_dev *pmcdev = dev_get_drvdata(dev);
> +	const struct pmc_reg_map *map = pmcdev->map;
> +	u32 reg;
> +
> +	if (!map->etr3_offset)
> +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> +
> +	mutex_lock(&pmcdev->lock);
> +
> +	reg = pmc_core_reg_read(pmcdev, map->etr3_offset);
> +	reg &= ETR3_CF9GR | ETR3_CF9LOCK;
> +
> +	mutex_unlock(&pmcdev->lock);
> +
> +	return sysfs_emit(buf, "0x%08x", reg);
> +}
> +
> +static ssize_t etr3_store(struct device *dev,
> +				  struct device_attribute *attr,
> +				  const char *buf, size_t len)
> +{
> +	struct pmc_dev *pmcdev = dev_get_drvdata(dev);
> +	int err;
> +	u32 reg;
> +
> +	err = kstrtouint(buf, 16, &reg);
> +	if (err)
> +		return err;
> +
> +	/* allow only CF9 writes */
> +	if (reg != ETR3_CF9GR)
> +		return -EINVAL;
> +
> +	err = set_etr3(pmcdev);
> +	if (err)
> +		return err;
> +
> +	return len;
> +}
> +static DEVICE_ATTR_RW(etr3);
> +
> +static struct attribute *pmc_attrs[] = {
> +	&dev_attr_etr3.attr,
> +	NULL
> +};
> +
> +static const struct attribute_group pmc_attr_group = {
> +	.attrs = pmc_attrs,
> +	.is_visible = etr3_is_visible,
> +};
> +
> +static const struct attribute_group *pmc_dev_groups[] = {
> +	&pmc_attr_group,
> +	NULL
> +};
> +
>  static int pmc_core_dev_state_get(void *data, u64 *val)
>  {
>  	struct pmc_dev *pmcdev = data;
> @@ -1384,6 +1496,7 @@ static struct platform_driver pmc_core_driver = {
>  		.name = "intel_pmc_core",
>  		.acpi_match_table = ACPI_PTR(pmc_core_acpi_ids),
>  		.pm = &pmc_core_pm_ops,
> +		.dev_groups = pmc_dev_groups,
>  	},
>  	.probe = pmc_core_probe,
>  	.remove = pmc_core_remove,
> diff --git a/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.h b/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.h
> index f33cd2c34835..98ebdfe57138 100644
> --- a/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.h
> +++ b/drivers/platform/x86/intel_pmc_core.h
> @@ -200,6 +200,11 @@ enum ppfear_regs {
>  #define TGL_LPM_STATUS_OFFSET			0x1C3C
>  #define TGL_LPM_LIVE_STATUS_OFFSET		0x1C5C
>  
> +/* Extended Test Mode Register 3 (CNL and later) */
> +#define ETR3_OFFSET				0x1048
> +#define ETR3_CF9GR				BIT(20)
> +#define ETR3_CF9LOCK				BIT(31)
> +
>  const char *tgl_lpm_modes[] = {
>  	"S0i2.0",
>  	"S0i2.1",
> @@ -263,6 +268,7 @@ struct pmc_reg_map {
>  	const u32 lpm_residency_offset;
>  	const u32 lpm_status_offset;
>  	const u32 lpm_live_status_offset;
> +	const u32 etr3_offset;
>  };
>  
>  /**
> 


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