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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@vger.timpanogas.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.2.18Pre Lan Performance Rocks!
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:16:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20001030091615.A610@gruyere.muc.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <39FCB09E.93B657EC@timpanogas.org> <E13q2R7-0006S7-00@the-village.bc.nu> <20001029183531.A7155@vger.timpanogas.org> <20001030074700.A31783@gruyere.muc.suse.de> <20001029235821.A19076@vger.timpanogas.org> <20001030080858.A32204@gruyere.muc.suse.de> <20001030001646.A19136@vger.timpanogas.org> <20001030083827.B32389@gruyere.muc.suse.de> <20001030010434.A19615@vger.timpanogas.org>
In-Reply-To: <20001030010434.A19615@vger.timpanogas.org>; from jmerkey@vger.timpanogas.org on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:04:34AM -0700

On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:04:34AM -0700, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> > > 
> > > When you say it reloads it's VM, you mean it reloads the CR3 register?  
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > No. In 2.4 you could probably use the on demand lazy vm mechanism ingo described for
> > the nfsd processes. In 2.2 it is a bit more tricky, if I remember right lazy mm needed
> > quite a few changes.
> > 
> > But before doing too many changes i would first verify if that is really the problem.
> 
> We will never beat NetWare on scaling if this is the case, even in 2.4.  
> Andre and my first job will be to create an arch port with MANOS that
> disables this and restructures the VM.  

I just guess the end result will be as crash prone as Netware when you install any third
party software ;) 

lazy mm is probably a better path, as long as you stay in kernel threads and a single user mm
it'll never switch VMs.

> 
> > PTEs are read for aging on memory pressure in vmscan.
> > 
> > segment register reload happen on interrupt entry, to load the kernel cs/ds (are they that
> > costly?). If it was really costly you could probably check in interrupt entry if you're
> > already running in kernel space and skip it.
> 
> They are.  segment register reloads will trigger the following:
> 
> IDT table atomic fetch to verify  (LOCK#) (if triggered by task gate from INTR)
> GDT table atomic fetch to verify  (LOCK#)
> LDT table atomic fetch to verify  (LOCK#) (if present)
> PDE table atomic fetch to verify  (LOCK#)
> 
> The process has to verify that the loaded segment descriptor is valid, and
> it will fetch from all these tables to do it, with up to 4 (LOCK#) 
> assertions occurring invisibly in the hardware underneath (which will
> generate 4 non-cacheable memory references, in addition to wrecking 
> havoc on the affected L1/L2 cache lines).  Oink.  It only does this 
> when you load one, not when you save one, like pushing it on the 
> stack.  Since you look at MANOS code, you'll note that in 
> CONTEXT.386, I do and add esp, 3 * 4 instead of poppping the segment
> registers off the stack if they are in the kernel address space.  
> 
> Linux should do the same, if possible as an optimization.

Interesting. You could do easily the same in Linux by changing (in 2.2) the SAVE_ALL macro
in arch/i386/kernel/irq.h and doing the same in ret_from_intr's RESTORE_ALL macro (after
changing it to a RESTORE_ALL_INT or you'll break system calls) 

Actually I don't even know why irq.h's SAVE_ALL even loads __KERNEL_CS, it should be already
set by the interrupt gate. __KERNEL_DS probably needs to be still loaded, but only when
you came from user space.

-Andi
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Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-10-29 23:19 2.2.18Pre Lan Performance Rocks! Jeff V. Merkey
     [not found] ` <E13q2R7-0006S7-00@the-village.bc.nu>
2000-10-30  1:35   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  6:47     ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  6:58       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  7:08         ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  7:16           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  7:38             ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  8:04               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  8:16                 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2000-10-30 12:47                 ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 12:50                   ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  8:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  7:20             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  8:39               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  8:08                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  9:52                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  8:55                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:13                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:11                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:41                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:33                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:56                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:45                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:04                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:56                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:13                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 10:08                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 17:41                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-30 17:58                                       ` Chris Evans
2000-10-30 18:01                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 18:21                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-30 17:59                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31  8:08                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 20:04                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 19:11                                       ` Dan Hollis
2000-10-31 18:59                                         ` Pavel Machek
2000-10-30 10:27                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:20                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:38                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:01                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:54                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:12                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 10:06                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:56                                       ` john slee
2000-10-30 18:04                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:31                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 12:57                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 17:55                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 18:34                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 21:17                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31  9:25                                         ` Erik Andersen
2000-10-31 18:50                               ` Pavel Machek
2000-10-31 20:06                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 20:13                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:31                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:56                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:57                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:27                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:18                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:47                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-11-01  0:56                                       ` Davide Libenzi
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     [not found]                                           ` <20001102043332.A27126@fuji.laendle>
     [not found]                                             ` <3A0195DA.DDEBAC51@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]                                               ` <20001102194323.D2790@cerebro.laendle>
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2000-11-02 22:46                                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-03  0:12                                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2000-11-02 23:00                                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:34                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:52                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:05                                     ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-31 22:23                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:45                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:44                                           ` David Lang
2000-10-31 22:57                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:52                                               ` David Lang
2000-10-31 23:02                                           ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 23:03                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:08                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:59                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  2:30                                           ` Horst von Brand
2000-10-31 23:05                                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-10-31 23:14                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:32                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:23                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:55                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:54                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:47                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:56                                             ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:55                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:10                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-11-01  5:38                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-03  6:42                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2000-10-31 22:59                                     ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-10-31 23:12                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:28                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  5:01                                         ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-01  5:09                                           ` Larry McVoy
2000-11-01  5:20                                             ` Peter Samuelson
2000-10-30 10:50                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:40                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 23:26                 ` David Woodhouse
2000-10-30 23:49                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 23:34                     ` Roger Larsson
2000-10-31 15:18 ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 20:26   ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 15:30     ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 20:37       ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 20:48         ` Jesse Pollard
2000-10-31 20:58           ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01  1:33           ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-01  3:42             ` Jesse Pollard
2000-11-01 13:26               ` Horst von Brand
2000-10-31 21:43     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:50       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 20:36   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 15:47     ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 21:05       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 21:33     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:48       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 16:54         ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 21:58           ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 21:53         ` Jeff V. Merkey
     [not found] <200010300823.BAA19834@vger.timpanogas.org>
2000-10-30  8:36 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:44 Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:36 ` Paul Menage
2000-10-31 21:44   ` David S. Miller
2000-10-31 23:21   ` Matti Aarnio
2000-10-31 23:39     ` David Weinehall
2000-10-31 22:05 ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:15   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:27     ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:38       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:48         ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 22:50           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:49         ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:53           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 23:15         ` Nathan Paul Simons
2000-10-31 23:20           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:00             ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-11-01  0:07               ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01  0:13                 ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-11-01  1:30         ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]           ` <20001031183809.C9733@.timpanogas.org>
2000-11-01 15:41             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01 17:25               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 17:35                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 18:07                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01 18:34                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 21:13                       ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-01 21:32                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 11:13         ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-01 15:00           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01  9:51       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2000-11-01 17:28         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-02 21:58         ` Anton Altaparmakov

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