Hi Linus, Alan, some applications do need to know where the console (/dev/console) actually maps to. For processes with a controlling terminal, you may see it in /proc/$$/stat. However, daemons are supposed to run detached (they don't want to get killed by ^C) and some processes like init or bootlogd do still need to be able to find out. The kernel provides this information -- sort of: It contains the TIOCTTYGSTRUCT syscall which returns a struct. Of course, it changes between different kernel archs and revisions, so using it is an ugly hack. Grab for TIOCTTYGSTRUCT_HACK in the bootlogd.c file of the sysvinit sources. Shudder! Having a new ioctl, just returning the device no is a much cleaner solution, IMHO. So, I created the TIOCGDEV, which Miquel suggests in his sysvinit sources. It makes querying the actual console device as easy as int tty; ioctl (0, TIOCGDEV, &tty); Patches against 2.2.18 and 2.4.0-testX are attached. Please apply. -- Kurt Garloff Eindhoven, NL GPG key: See mail header, key servers Linux kernel development SuSE GmbH, Nuernberg, FRG SCSI, Security