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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:17:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010518131707.N14309@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010518115839.E14309@thyrsus.com> <E150mhR-0007Ig-00@the-village.bc.nu> <20010518123413.I14309@thyrsus.com> <3B0551B4.CB251F64@redhat.com>
In-Reply-To: <3B0551B4.CB251F64@redhat.com>; from arjanv@redhat.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 05:45:40PM +0100

Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>:
> I hereby volunteer to maintain at least make oldconfig and make config, 
> and perhaps make menuconfig.

That's the easy part; the CML1 config code may be ugly and broken, but
at least it's relatively stable.  What you'd also have to do is maintain an
entire CML1 ruleset in parallel with the canonical CML2 one.  That's 
the hard part.

I've been keeping the CML2 ruleset synced with CML1 for a year now. 
It's been an ugly, nasty, horrible job -- *much* nastier, by an order
of magnitude, than designing and writing the CML2 engine.  Going the
other direction would be worse.  "Like chewing razor blades" is the
simile that leaps to mind.

(And no, dropping back to CML1 format for the masters wouldn't be an
option; it doesn't have the semantic strength to enable CML2's new
capabilities.)
-- 
		<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government,
no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to
keep and bear arms.  [...] the right of the citizens to bear arms is
just one guarantee against arbitrary government and one more safeguard
against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which
historically has proved to be always possible.
        -- Hubert H. Humphrey, 1960

  reply	other threads:[~2001-05-18 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-05 23:27 CML2 design philosophy heads-up Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-06 12:58 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-07 17:59   ` Tom Rini
2001-05-07 21:57     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-08  9:44       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 12:42       ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-08  1:31     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08  1:43       ` Tom Rini
2001-05-08  1:56         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08  6:57           ` David Weinehall
2001-05-08  7:00             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08  6:59           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-05-08  7:15             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 14:15               ` Rogier Wolff
2001-05-13 14:22 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-13 15:25   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-15 14:43     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17  7:26       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-17  7:47         ` Keith Owens
2001-05-17  9:35           ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-17 16:34             ` Tom Rini
2001-05-18  7:43               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18  8:20                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 14:53                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 14:06                     ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:09                     ` Keith Owens
2001-05-18 15:19                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:39                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:58                         ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:01                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:34                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:43                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:45                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:17                                 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2001-05-18 17:22                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:25                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-19  5:54                                 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-18 17:33                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:25                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 19:13                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 19:44                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 20:38                                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19  1:49                               ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-18 19:12                       ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:11                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:26                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:34                         ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 14:30                           ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:47                             ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 15:42                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19  5:44                           ` Ben Ford
2001-05-19  6:40                           ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-05-19 10:10                             ` Ben Ford
2001-05-19 10:55                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-19 16:13                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 21:54                                 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-20  0:08                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:37                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:49                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:16                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:04                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 11:19                           ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:18                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:34                               ` Keith Owens
2001-05-20 15:34                             ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:44                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 18:31                                 ` Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 20:13                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:56                               ` CML2 design philosophy heads-up David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 17:14                                 ` Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21  0:45                                   ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21  9:14                                   ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-21 11:32                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 20:38                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 12:15                                   ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 12:31                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 23:11                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 17:47                                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 20:47                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 20:59                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-20 22:51                                     ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21  1:13                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21  6:41                                       ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 10:04                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 11:05                                         ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-22 13:45                                       ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-22 17:17                                         ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-22 16:21                                       ` John Stoffel
2001-05-21  3:33                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-21 20:38                                     ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22  0:59                                       ` Keith Owens
2001-05-22  9:24                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-23  1:51                                           ` Keith Owens
2001-05-21 23:00                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 20:59                                   ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 21:10                                   ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21  3:38                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-18 17:07                       ` CML2 design philosophy heads-up Daniel Phillips
2001-05-18 15:38                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:04                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:09                         ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:43                           ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-18 17:13                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:22                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:42                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 17:42                                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:28                                 ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:23                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:41                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:54                     ` Christer Weinigel
2001-05-18 15:59                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-18 16:17                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:35                       ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-18 20:03                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:02                     ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Germaschewski
2001-05-18 19:12                 ` frank
2001-05-15 20:32     ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-15 21:33       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:19         ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:37           ` Justin Carlson
2001-05-18 15:42           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:53             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:51           ` [kbuild-devel] " John Cowan
2001-05-18 15:58             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:00               ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:15                 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-18 17:28                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-21  0:29             ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21  1:58               ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21  6:33                 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-21  9:55                   ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 16:59                   ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21 17:03                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21  7:21                 ` arjan
2001-05-21  3:47               ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-21  2:10             ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21  2:35               ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-05-21  5:01                 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-21  9:58                 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 15:36                   ` Tom Rini
2001-05-21 16:24                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21  6:11               ` Mike A. Harris
2001-05-21 12:08                 ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 12:29                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 16:39                     ` Brent D. Norris
2001-05-21 17:48                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 15:18                 ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-05-21 15:21                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 15:52                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-18 16:22           ` Steven Cole
     [not found]   ` <0105210958040I.10237@spc.esa.lanl.gov>
     [not found]     ` <20010521090130.F9965@opus.bloom.county>
2001-05-21 16:13       ` Steven Cole
2001-05-18 17:10 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2001-05-18 17:11 [kbuild-devel] " Wayne.Brown
2001-05-18 20:04 Wayne.Brown
2001-05-18 20:43 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 20:56 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-18 22:52 Wayne.Brown

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