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From: David Luyer <david_luyer@pacific.net.au>
To: Daniel <ddickman@nyc.rr.com>,
	Linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: obsolete code must die
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:41:15 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200106140141.f5E1fFL3012794@typhaon.pacific.net.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Message from Alan Olsen <alan@clueserver.org>  of "Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:22:38 PDT." <Pine.LNX.4.10.10106131903190.16254-100000@clueserver.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10106131903190.16254-100000@clueserver.org>



Obsolete code must die.  Hardware support must live on.

> > ISA, MCA, EISA device drivers
> > If support for the buses is gone, there's no point in supporting devices for
> > these buses.
> 
> I am not certain if tis is a good idea, for the reason given above.  (Not
> certain about MCA and EISA though.)  

MCA is common for PS/2's, which are still around.

> > MFM/RLL/XT/ESDI hard drive support
> > Does anyone still *have* an RLL drive that works? At the very least get rid
> > of the old driver (eg CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_ONLY, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE,
> > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PS2)
> 
> I am not certain how much this stuff is still used outside the US.  The XT
> driver still being around does surprise me though.  (Will that even *work*
> on modern hardware?  I didn't think you could get that card to work on a
> 386.)

Could never get my OMTI 8627 ESDI controller to work under Linux when I tried.
It works under DOS/Win, Xenix and VSTa though.  These controllers were
pseudo-common early 386 machines (before the 386sx and 386dx) built for
Xenix.

Surprisingly the old NEC ESDI drive still spins up, when most of the 1998 or
1999 Seagates/IBM drives are dead or dying and we've had close to an entire
A1000 Sun disk unit fail to spin up -- the 'top-end' disks of today rarely
seem to last more than 2-3 years (in that if you turn them off after 2-3
years of continual service and turn them back on 1/2 hr later, half of the
drives which haven't spat out a drive head in the interim years will fail
to spin up).

Even old Eagle drives from 1988 still spin up... given you have to flick the
starter switch to spin them up half a dozen times, but they still work...
seems they don't make disk drives like they used to.

David.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-06-14  1:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106140018140.14934-100000@imladris.rielhome .conectiva>
2001-06-14  0:44 ` Daniel
2001-06-14  0:54   ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-14  0:56   ` Jaswinder Singh
2001-06-14  1:00   ` Jeff Garzik
     [not found]   ` <20010613204729.A18297@pimlott.ne.mediaone.net>
2001-06-14  1:05     ` Daniel Dickman
2001-06-14  1:09       ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-14  1:20       ` Gary E. Miller
2001-06-14  1:08   ` Colonel
2001-06-13 22:23     ` Rafael Diniz
2001-06-15 19:45       ` Eric Hancock
2001-06-14 19:00     ` Mike A. Harris
2001-06-14  1:11   ` John Chris Wren
2001-06-14  1:13   ` Claudio Martins
2001-06-14  1:23   ` Justin Guyett
2001-06-14  1:51   ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-06-14  1:55   ` Horst von Brand
2001-06-14  3:41     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-06-14  1:58   ` D. Stimits
2001-06-14  2:22   ` Alan Olsen
2001-06-14  1:24     ` Robert Love
2001-06-14  1:32       ` Colonel
2001-06-14  1:45         ` Rainer Mager
2001-06-14  2:00           ` Download process for a "split kernel" (was: obsolete code must die) David Luyer
2001-06-14  2:30             ` Jaswinder Singh
2001-06-14  7:56             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-14  8:34               ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-14 16:25                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-14 17:21                 ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-14 12:07             ` Horst von Brand
2001-06-14 12:14               ` David Luyer
2001-06-14 12:18                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-14  7:56           ` obsolete code must die Alan Cox
2001-06-14  9:06             ` Ghozlane Toumi
2001-06-14  9:24             ` James Sutherland
2001-06-14 14:45             ` Michael Bacarella
2001-06-15  3:58             ` Michael Peddemors
2001-06-15  4:09               ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-06-15 11:51             ` Rogier Wolff
2001-06-14  1:41     ` David Luyer [this message]
2001-06-14  2:37       ` Tom Vier
2001-06-14  8:35     ` Bohdan Vlasyuk
2001-06-14 10:25     ` Andrzej Krzysztofowicz
2001-06-14  2:31   ` James Stevenson
2001-06-14  3:24   ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-14  3:48   ` Stephen Satchell
2001-06-14  4:26     ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-14  6:31   ` Russell King
2001-06-14  6:54     ` Daniel Dickman
2001-06-14  7:12   ` L. K.
2001-06-14  8:44   ` Luigi Genoni
2001-06-14  9:55   ` Thomas Pornin
2001-06-14 15:15   ` Brad Johnson
2001-06-14 18:57   ` Mike A. Harris
2001-06-15  3:48   ` Michael Peddemors
2001-06-15 14:21     ` Horst von Brand
2001-06-14 10:22 Heusden, Folkert van
2001-06-14 13:05 ` Nils Holland
2001-06-14 14:01 Jesse Pollard
2001-06-14 17:21 ` richard

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