From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:22:55 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:22:45 -0400 Received: from krusty.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE ([129.217.163.1]:11 "HELO krusty.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:22:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:22:46 +0200 From: Matthias Andree To: "Bill Rugolsky Jr." Cc: Daniel Phillips , "Stephen C. Tweedie" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: intermediate summary of ext3-2.4-0.9.4 thread Message-ID: <20010803202246.E31468@emma1.emma.line.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Bill Rugolsky Jr." , Daniel Phillips , "Stephen C. Tweedie" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <3B5FC7FB.D5AF0932@zip.com.au> <20010801170230.B7053@redhat.com> <20010802110341.B17927@emma1.emma.line.org> <01080219261601.00440@starship> <20010802193750.B12425@emma1.emma.line.org> <20010802154718.A16494@ead45> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010802154718.A16494@ead45> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 02 Aug 2001, Bill Rugolsky Jr. wrote: > I have no idea where BSD falls, but the basic point stands: unused > features should not penalize other applications. Andrew Morton has > figured out how to do this efficiently with ext3, and many kudos to him > for doing the work. Absent that, why should I have to go get a cup of > coffee every time I want to patch a tree, just so some MTA can make > naive assumptions? The whole idea is to have a switch to turn on BSD-style synchronous directory update semantics. Nothing more, nothing you would not be able to get rid off. In fact, you can mount file systems async on BSD as well, but you'd better not have the machine crash. Irrecoverable file system damage can result. As a compromise, softupdates are nearly as fast as async, but FS damage is guaranteed to be recoverable. In either case (async or soft-updates), files can end up in lost+found after the control had been returned to the application that called open or link. -- Matthias Andree